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Reverant 12-18-2010 08:44 AM

Gutting an ignitor and upgrading to BIP373
 
Has anyone does this yet? A friend's igniter died and we are looking to getting it back on track within the weekend, rather than finding a used igniter from a junkyard. No, he doesn't want to upgrade to COPS, and even if he did, we want to have the car ready before Monday (daily driver).

Joe Perez 12-18-2010 10:14 AM

Can't imagine why it wouldn't work. It's 5v triggered active-high, and has more than enough current capacity.

You'd need to jimmy something up if you wanted to keep the tachometer working in the instrument cluster, but that's about the only issue I see.

Reverant 12-18-2010 10:38 AM

A couple of diodes will solve the tacho problem, I was just looking for a quick solution to save my weekend Vs figuring it out from scratch (and the wife hating me for yet another project).

Ben 12-18-2010 10:46 AM

It should work fine. It's probably even an upgrade from the 1.6 ignitor.
I sometimes ground the BIPs through a spare pin directly to the motor instead of through the ground plane inside the board. It makes me feel good, but it's not really necessary.

Braineack 12-18-2010 11:00 AM

I used two in a build once that utilized neon coils without ignitors...

Reverant 12-18-2010 12:44 PM

Any instructions?

Joe Perez 12-18-2010 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by Reverant (Post 670661)
Any instructions?

1: Connect ignition trigger wires to BIP inputs.
2: Connect coil - wires to BIP load pins.
3: Connect BIP ground pins to ground.
4: ???
5: Profit.

Reverant 12-18-2010 12:56 PM

Nah that's too easy, it can't be for real.

richyvrlimited 12-19-2010 06:33 AM

How'd you get on Reverant?

And do you have a circuit diagram for the tacho?

Reverant 12-19-2010 06:40 AM

I still haven't done it, as soon as I do and it's a success I'll let you know.

Reverant 12-22-2010 11:40 AM

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What the igniter looks like inside. By the looks of it, I think it holds a grudge against me for using an HF-quality dremmel tool.


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Proceeding to gut it.

Braineack 12-22-2010 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by Reverant (Post 670664)
Nah that's too easy, it can't be for real.

Remove R57. Jump R43.

Use a 270-330ohm resistor from the CPU (Squirt-1 or Accel-1) to IgbtIN.

Now just duplicate that BIP circuit for the second pair.

Reverant 12-22-2010 04:38 PM

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Igniter gutted.

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Reverant 12-22-2010 04:41 PM

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And upgraded!

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y8s 12-22-2010 04:42 PM

that's some pretty lead heatsinking.

Reverant 12-22-2010 04:45 PM

Yup. The tab is also acting as the collector, so I chopped of the middle leg and that got me there faster and neater.

Ben 12-22-2010 07:27 PM

Very clever.
Are the 2 diodes for tach pulse?

Reverant 12-23-2010 01:45 AM

Yes, here's to hoping that it will work.

richyvrlimited 12-23-2010 04:23 AM

Awesome work Reverant, stealth upgrades!

Reverant 12-23-2010 06:13 AM

Partial success, it runs for a minute at first and then dies. The igniter gets hot, which suggests that the thermal protection kicks in. I'm using "Going low" for the spark output, this is an MSPNP9093 upgraded to MS-II. When using Going high (inverted), it doesn't want to run at all, I keep cranking for 4-5 seconds, it almosts catches for half a second, and then goes back to plain cranking.

The tacho doesn't work at all.


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