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Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 777345)
So I assume the computer reads off the GND wire for signal? What about the CKP?
Why does the stock CAS have a CKP and CMP signal? I don't get it. This is a 4/1 CAS but you get the idea. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1317288138 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1317288138 You can't run an engine without knowing the crank position period. Cam position is just to know which 360deg phase the engine is in (as a full cycle is 720deg i.e. 2 turns of the crank for 1 turn of the cam. That's why a CAS is shitty for accuracy, it's sat on the cam which is driven by a semi flexible rubber belt from the crank, hello timing jitter as the belt stretches and relaxes. The tach is either driven by the ECU on later MK1's or by the igniter module. |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 777345)
Why does the stock CAS have a CKP and CMP signal? I don't get it.
CKP cranK position 4 teeth CMP caM position 2 teeth The CKP ring has 1 tooth per cylinder and presumably is used by the stock computer for its RPM and timing calculations. The CMP ring has 2 uneven teeth that would be used to determine engine phase--IE each cylinder has 2 TDC events per cycle. For sequential fuel and/or distributorless ignition, we need to know better crank position info, and for sequential we need to know if the TDC event is on compression or exhaust stroke. Since the CAS is driven at cam speed, yes you could use only one ring with a missing tooth, but I'm guessing the 80's era technology Miata ECU wasn't up to the job. However not sure what's going on here. Are you running MS3X on a VVT motor (that's what I thought your plan was). If so, you do NOT NEED the NA Miata CAS at all. You would use the NB crank and cam sensors, which are separate sensors on the NB engine. |
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95 CAS sensor Plug Colors
Yellow/Blue - Cam Signal White - Crank Signal White/Red - Power Black/Light Green - Ground 99 Cam Sensor Wires White/Red - Power Grey/Blue - Cam Signal Black/Blue - Ground 99 Crank Sensor Wires White/Red - Power Grey/Red - Crank Signal Black/Blue - Ground So to hook the NB Sensors up to the NA wires you need to do the following. Black/Blue from both Cam/Crank plugs goes to Black/Light Green White/Red from both Cam/Crank plugs goes to White/Red Grey/Blue from Cam goes to Yellow/Blue Grey/Red from Crank goes to White https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1317303831 For VVT you run one of the wires to the White/Red wire on the CAS. The other wire gets ran back to your MS connector. I am not sure how Reverent will have you hook it up, but he should be able to give you more details. |
Originally Posted by Ben
(Post 777434)
There are 2 rings on the Miata CAS...
CKP cranK position 4 teeth CMP caM position 2 teeth The CKP ring has 1 tooth per cylinder and presumably is used by the stock computer for its RPM and timing calculations. The CMP ring has 2 uneven teeth that would be used to determine engine phase--IE each cylinder has 2 TDC events per cycle. For sequential fuel and/or distributorless ignition, we need to know better crank position info, and for sequential we need to know if the TDC event is on compression or exhaust stroke. Since the CAS is driven at cam speed, yes you could use only one ring with a missing tooth, but I'm guessing the 80's era technology Miata ECU wasn't up to the job. However not sure what's going on here. Are you running MS3X on a VVT motor (that's what I thought your plan was). If so, you do NOT NEED the NA Miata CAS at all. You would use the NB crank and cam sensors, which are separate sensors on the NB engine. I'm putting MS2 on my daily driver (whatever that car may be in the next two weeks), and hopefully doing MS3 on my turbo car when that time comes. The other thing I don't understand is CMP on a VVT cam. If the cam is advanced or retarded, is there an algorithm in place to interpret that synch adjustment and will that alter fuel injector firing? |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 777471)
Thanks. I understand all that, I don't really understand if the computer reads the squarewave through the GND wires or through the "signal" wires.
I'm putting MS2 on my daily driver (whatever that car may be in the next two weeks), and hopefully doing MS3 on my turbo car when that time comes. The other thing I don't understand is CMP on a VVT cam. If the cam is advanced or retarded, is there an algorithm in place to interpret that synch adjustment and will that alter fuel injector firing? MS3X or MS2 plus VVTuner can command relative position of the VVT cam. You can use timed injection with either solution to fire your injector pulses relative to crank angle based on engine load and RPM. Cam timing adjustment is an independent adjustment. |
Originally Posted by Ben
(Post 777475)
The ground is a ground man. The sensor needs power and ground to operate. The CKP and CMP signal wires feed pulses to the engine computer to determine crank position and speed.
Also "a ground is a ground" doesn't jive with Matt and Jerry's book in regards to precision instruments...or maybe I'm over-thinking it. |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 777479)
Ah shit, I thought they were 2-wire sensors, I'm retarded.
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Originally Posted by richyvrlimited
(Post 777480)
They are? Ground and signal...
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All hall-effect sensors are 3-wire.
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Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 777479)
Ah shit, I thought they were 2-wire sensors, I'm retarded.
Also "a ground is a ground" doesn't jive with Matt and Jerry's book in regards to precision instruments...or maybe I'm over-thinking it. I had already assumed that you were not planning on stripping the end of the ground wire off and running it around a self tapping screw into the body. |
Below are the wiring diagrams for your 95 miata and for an 01. I am not positive if you have the connectors for the NB cam/crank sensors from a 99 harness or an 01+. If you have an 01+ harness the colors will be different. Just know that the center pin on the connector is the signal wire that hooks to the stock CAS wiring.
95 System Wiring Diagram 01 Wiring Diagram |
Originally Posted by Ben
(Post 777492)
You're over thinking it here. I didn't say that a ground is a ground, and that all grounds are equal. I sad the hall sensor's ground wire is a ground wire. You asked if it is a ground or if it carries signal. It's a ground. Just hook it back to the MegaSquirt's sensor return with the other sensor grounds.
I had already assumed that you were not planning on stripping the end of the ground wire off and running it around a self tapping screw into the body. |
cause it has two wheels: 4 and 2 toothed. 4 is CKP and 2 is CMP.
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Originally Posted by shuiend
(Post 777495)
Below are the wiring diagrams for your 95 miata and for an 01. I am not positive if you have the connectors for the NB cam/crank sensors from a 99 harness or an 01+. If you have an 01+ harness the colors will be different. Just know that the center pin on the connector is the signal wire that hooks to the stock CAS wiring.
95 System Wiring Diagram 01 Wiring Diagram |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 777498)
I'm ordering pig-tails or connectors for everything I can. It's pretty tough to find an 01+ in a junkyard around here.
Here is the website. |
Does anyone have a pic of the Hall-sensor assembly on a 99? Can I attach this piece to an NA block?
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Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 778419)
Does anyone have a pic of the Hall-sensor assembly on a 99? Can I attach this piece to an NA block?
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Originally Posted by shuiend
(Post 778448)
I have a 94 bottom end and the Hall-sensor bolts in fine. Next time I have my bottom pan off I will try to snap a picture.
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Is this head going to give me $200 of pleasure or more frustration? I'm a little intimidated by all the wiring and sensor configuration. Can I run a 1994 coil pack on this fucker too?
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Shoulda sold it to me and saved both of us fustration.
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