meth and DIYPNP
Hey guys this might be a stupid question but my searching found nothing. The car is a 1990 with a DIYPNP. My question is would it be possible/somewhat easy to wire up another injector to the ecu, then create a separate map to control my water meth more accurately?
thanks, Mike |
No. Don't use a regular fuel injector with water meth or it may die.
If you have one that is compatible, sure, why not! |
Along as the internals are stainless I was thinking it may be ok.... is this not correct?
|
I suppose you could set up staged injection, where the 1st injector output drives your 4 main injectors and the second injector output drivers your "staged" water/meth injector.
The hardware will do it. Will your injector hold up to water? |
You would also need a rail for the injector and a mounting method... And still need a pump and a tank.
A regular WI nozzle might be easier since you don't need the rail or mount. |
Originally Posted by Faeflora
(Post 827842)
You would also need a rail for the injector and a mounting method... And still need a pump and a tank.
A regular WI nozzle might be easier since you don't need the rail or mount. A WI nozzle is just that, a nozzle. It doesn't have a valve to regulate flow. |
While we're on the subject, does anybody know of any "injectors" out there capable of passing water or methanol reliably?
I know that Aquamist has their PWM-controlled "high speed valve", was wondering if there's anything more injector-like out there? |
Im trying to find an injector that will, I've been busy lately. As far as a "rail" goes, I made an aluminum bungthat will be welded on the intercooler piping and will hold the injector in place. The tank and pump will be utilized from my previous set up.
thanks, Mike |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 827848)
While we're on the subject, does anybody know of any "injectors" out there capable of passing water or methanol reliably?
I know that Aquamist has their PWM-controlled "high speed valve", was wondering if there's anything more injector-like out there? I don't know about water + meth mixture compatibility. |
Originally Posted by Ben
(Post 827878)
FIC can be ordered with meth compatibility.
Free Internet Chess? Fédération des Instituteurs Chrétiens? Falkland Islands Company? Frontier Industrial Corporation? Financial Institutions Consulting? Facility Incident Commander? Festival Internacional Cervantino? Florida Immigrant Coalition? Finance and Investment Committee? Federazione Italiana Canottaggio? Forensic Innovation Center? Federation of Irish Cyclists? Freelancers Insurance Company? Fruits in Ice Cream? Freedom Investment Club? Facultade de Informática de a Coruña? Flooring Industry Council? Fellowship for Intentional Community? Fraser International College? |
No, don't be silly Joe. I obviously meant Feline Idiopathic Cystitis.
|
^^^^ Ahahahahaha I felt like an idiot because was unsure of what FIC stood for, glad it wasn't just me.
|
Would adding a corrosion inhibitor added to the water, such as the ones used for radiators, solve the problem of finding special injectors?
|
Originally Posted by Ben
(Post 827844)
We're about to release an injector mount that will make it very easy to add an extra injector.
A WI nozzle is just that, a nozzle. It doesn't have a valve to regulate flow. Yes but you still need a pump. And some way of turning on the pump. Progressive control will make for more intuitive tuning.
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 827848)
I know that Aquamist has their PWM-controlled "high speed valve", was wondering if there's anything more injector-like out there?
That motherfukkka is just a solenoid.
Originally Posted by MustangMike
(Post 827869)
Im trying to find an injector that will, I've been busy lately. As far as a "rail" goes, I made an aluminum bungthat will be welded on the intercooler piping and will hold the injector in place. The tank and pump will be utilized from my previous set up.
thanks, Mike You still need a way to give the injector access to water. That = rail.
Originally Posted by MustangMike
(Post 827899)
Would adding a corrosion inhibitor added to the water, such as the ones used for radiators, solve the problem of finding special injectors?
Water/meth tank Water/meth pump water/meth line water/meth rail way of controlling injection You may as well just run a regular WI nozzle. It would allow you to eliminate: rail. Did I mention that WI nozzle is like $15???????? And WI line is like $2/ft???? |
BTW I looked into this stuff because I am running high HP and high boost (600+, 40psi) and damn it would have been a real pain in the ass to run real injectors for meth instead of WI parts.
|
Originally Posted by Faeflora
(Post 828122)
That motherfukkka is just a solenoid.
There are advantages and disadvantages to such a design. On the plus side, using a PWM-controlled solenoid upstream of conventional WI nozzle will produce a fairly consistent output (eg, a continuous spray of water, rather than discrete pulses of water.) On the minus side, it does not allow for the same degree of precision that a fuel injector (or similar device) would, nor it is as easily controlled with a Megasquirt. Did I mention that WI nozzle is like $15???????? And WI line is like $2/ft???? It would be nice if a device existed which were roughly analogous to a fuel injector (eg: it has discrete on and off states, an integral nozzle, and can be operated at the same speed as the primary injectors) which were capable of passing either straight water, straight methanol, or a mixture of the two without concern for corrosion or failure of internal parts. |
Joe even though i am tunning more nozzles than everyone else on this site combined, I would love to have a real fuel injection system as oppose to my aquamist.
Tell us how it can be done more easily than the traditional WI please. |
Originally Posted by Faeflora
(Post 828476)
Tell us how it can be done more easily than the traditional WI please.
Assuming a device which is functionally similar to a fuel injector, you would connect them to the MS3 and configure them as secondary staged injectors. Thus, the amount of timing of water injection can be precisely controlled and synchronized with the main injectors. |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 828483)
At the risk of sounding condescending, I'd have thought that this was self-evident.
Assuming a device which is functionally similar to a fuel injector, you would connect them to the MS3 and configure them as secondary staged injectors. Thus, the amount of timing of water injection can be precisely controlled and synchronized with the main injectors. |
Originally Posted by Faeflora
(Post 828486)
You still need the tank, pump, regulator, rail, injector, and if you want to do staged injection that makes tuning kludgy.
If you're trying to convince me that such a system would be inherently more complex than one which uses passive nozzles and PWM regulation of the pump, you don't have to, as I'm not arguing to the contrary. What I am saying is that my own quick-and-dirty bench testing has shown me that the degree to which you can effectively regulate water delivery (while still maintaining decent atomization) by PWM control of a Shurflo-style pump is quite limited and crude by way of comparison to a system using an injector-like delivery device controlled directly by the ECU. |
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:40 AM. |
© 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands