Originally Posted by deezums (Post 1268867)

You basically just described tuning. Logging, comparing, and changing while looking for better results. Are you surprised?

AE characteristics will change with the injectors and setup you choose to run. Not even Brian or Reverent could nail it right out of the gate, that's why there are so many input parameters to get what you want from it. I will tell you much more than AE is fucked up if you can't turn it off entirely and still rev with no load. I ran with jack shit for AE for the longest time, the stock miata doesn't have much in the way of AE, so it's obviously alright without it.


I don't know how you don't understand the settings, they explain what they are. The WOT curve will not apply any more AE if you are over a certain RPM and TPS position. It says this verbatim in the menu, those are the x and y axies. How can you not get that?

Quit overthinking things.

Originally Posted by satisfied (Post 1268876)

"Full acceleration below xxxxRPM" <= that right there. So I get full acceleration under that figure? Don't I want full acceleration all the time?

You get 100% of the AE/TPSdot PW adder under that RPM. Above the zero accel number ZERO PW is added. As I said earlier, that is to taper AE because YOU DON'T NEED IT IF THE ENGINE IS TURNING FAST.

"zero accel above xxxxRPM" Don't I want to accelerate to 7.5k RPM to wring the most out of the power curve?

Who thinks like this?

How much is "x.x ms added" of fuel exactly? What "x.x ms of fuel" is normal?

It depends on how big your injectors are. And again it depends on how big your shit is.

"TPSDOT %/s" percent of a second? the numbers go to 1200... So i can get 1200% of something?

TPSdot is TPS distance over time. Fucking google. It goes to whatever the fuck you want it to. Log your faulty bullshit, and tune to fit.

"Added ms" I'm guessing added milliseconds of fuel to the already tuned duty cycle of the injectors while activating TPS based AE... I think that one makes sense.

More ms - more fuel

Accel taper time, I'm guessing it will "hold onto" enriched duty cycles for "xx" milliseconds after a TPS even occurs.

Says right in the menu, how many seconds it tapers the calculated PW adder back down to the current calculated value. More TPSdot, more PW, sharper taper.

Accel time x.x ms.... LOLWUT.... Isn't added accel time in ms what TPS based AE is supposed to achieve? Why is this a setting?

Length of main enrichment pulse (PW) - How long is the accel PW added to the base calc value.

TPSWOTCURVE - Isn't that THE SAME THING as the TPS AE curve? It has RPMs, and a %TPS change on the x and y axis. Is this redundant? How does this correlate to the TPS AE table?

No no NO. For the last fucking time. It's redundant and you don't need to be fucking with it. Turn it off. It does the same thing as full accel below/zero accel above, but with more data points for a non-linear curve. You don't need it.

Yeah even at 95%/s I will trigger a small AE event while shifting from 1-2 like I normally shift. I don't know if I should even increase it beyond that as most people claim the fastest %/s they see is like 300-500%/s...

I have TPSdot from 50-800, because I look at my logs. If I had TPSdot spiking over 50 while I wasn't touching the throttle my TPS would be defunct and in the garbage.

So the long and short of it. Yeah, I don't get it. If all that seems self explanatory you guys are even smarter than I imagined, because that shit seems pretty complicated to me.

Originally Posted by deezums (Post 1268887)

You need to learn to google.

None of this changes the fact that you should not even care about AE till you have a solid VE table. You are wasting time multiplying bullshit values and wonder why it doesn't work.

Originally Posted by satisfied (Post 1268951)

So would a "good VE table" have no flat spots and a good linear acceleration under all gears?

I thought my tables were pretty good before I effed with AE.

Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1269035)

I'm betting they have nothing to do with your AE and EAE

You should log them, and pinpoint exactly what's happening and where. Last time I had what I thought were "flat spots" and logged them, AE and EAE were done cycling by the time the "flat spot" happened.

Deezums has a point though: until your VE map is dialed in, there's very little use to messing with the other transient settings. In fact, I usually don't even touch them until the very end, unless they're so far off that the car is pouring fuel into the chamber or dying from leanness.

When your VE map sucks, working on anything else is just wasting time.

Originally Posted by satisfied (Post 1269084)

If you run AE while running VEAL, it will alter your VE table.

Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1269101)

no it won't...

VEAL specifically filters out AE conditions.

turn them off and your fuel map won't change during VEAL.




poorly tuned AE.



turbo.

Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1269108)

honestly i dont understand the sudden cuts and rushes, id have to see a log.

if you hit spacebar while taking a log it will mark that spot so you can go look to see what your computer was told to do at those conditions.

Originally Posted by deezums (Post 1269279)

Duty cycle only does what you ask of it. If the injectors lock open the ECU won't know about it, or log it.

You hit a fuel cut at 1572 seconds, 6800 rpm 170kpa. Probably a boost cut. I don't see any sine wave in the pulsewidths near 1560.