MS1 V3 Assembly Issue/Question
Referencing step 69c in the mega manual, there should be at least 60k ohms resistance between the metal tab of Q9 and Q12 and the heat sink. I'm getting upper 30k ohms resistance and tried sanding the heat sink lightly but it didn't change my results. Of course I missed this last half of the step before soldering it (last half of the step was on the next page of my printout) so its kinda tough to do anything about this but what else can I do to increase resistance here?
I did use the mica insulator and heat sink compound btw. |
Upper 30s sounds fine to me. The important thing here is that you don't have a short circuit between tab and ground.
Funny, I just pulled up the datasheets for the TIP125 from Fairchild, ON, and ST, and none of them indicate that the tab is electrically active. |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 316646)
Upper 30s sounds fine to me. The important thing here is that you don't have a short circuit between tab and ground.
Funny, I just pulled up the datasheets for the TIP125 from Fairchild, ON, and ST, and none of them indicate that the tab is electrically active. Now on to a tricky solder bridge I made when accidentally soldering on Q20 :vash: |
I assume you mean the big TIP120 that you're installing in place of Q20, and not the little 2N3904, right?
When it comes to solder blobs, it occurs to me that a lot of folks who are newish to soldering probably don't know about desoldering braid: http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2062744 This stuff is nothing more than a little strip of finely-woven copper thread, coated with flux. When you've got a blob somewhere you need to get rid of, just lay the braid over the blob and press down with the iron. The solder is wicked up into the braid and you have a clean pad left behind. Just keep braid properly trimmed so you're always working with the very end of it, and it works miracles. |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 316660)
I assume you mean the big TIP120 that you're installing in place of Q20, and not the little 2N3904, right?
When it comes to solder blobs, it occurs to me that a lot of folks who are newish to soldering probably don't know about desoldering braid: http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2062744 This stuff is nothing more than a little strip of finely-woven copper thread, coated with flux. When you've got a blob somewhere you need to get rid of, just lay the braid over the blob and press down with the iron. The solder is wicked up into the braid and you have a clean pad left behind. Just keep braid properly trimmed so you're always working with the very end of it, and it works miracles. |
Also, I know all about desoldering braid but unfortunately, i cannot eliminate this bridge and it is seeming to me as if I have actually newbishly bent the little metal parts into eachother. I may be screwed at this point.
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Whoops- my bad. Yup, the '120 replaces Q4. Q20 is the overcurrent protection clamp which needs to not be there when you're running PWM (which, by definition, will be sinking a lot more current than that circuit was originally designed to deal with.)
Since the Q20 spot is going to wind up unoccupied in the end, you could always just break the pads off the circuit board with a X-acto knife if you've really munged them up that badly. |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 316673)
Whoops- my bad. Yup, the '120 replaces Q4. Q20 is the overcurrent protection clamp which needs to not be there when you're running PWM (which, by definition, will be sinking a lot more current than that circuit was originally designed to deal with.)
Since the Q20 spot is going to wind up unoccupied in the end, you could always just break the pads off the circuit board with a X-acto knife if you've really munged them up that badly. I have another question though as follows: Step 75 in the manual says to jumper R39 if PWM but brain didn't indicate that in his writeup (or more likely, i missed it). Should I jumper this use the resistor? |
Well, remember that Braineack's instruction were written for a parallel install. It sounds to me like you're doing a standalone install, or you wouldn't be worrying about the IAC mod at all.
In the original design, R39 is there to create a voltage drop for Q20 to activate on. It's the setpoint for the overcurrent detector. Since we're not concerned with this, R39 is removed and replaced with a jumper. No sense in creating needless heat by passing current through a resistor when we don't need to. |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 316703)
Well, remember that Braineack's instruction were written for a parallel install. It sounds to me like you're doing a standalone install, or you wouldn't be worrying about the IAC mod at all.
In the original design, R39 is there to create a voltage drop for Q20 to activate on. It's the setpoint for the overcurrent detector. Since we're not concerned with this, R39 is removed and replaced with a jumper. No sense in creating needless heat by passing current through a resistor when we don't need to. |
Originally Posted by wayne_curr
(Post 316708)
And yes, i'm doing a standalone.
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 316709)
Then you want to focus on the MegaManual, and go here for the Miata-specific mods: http://diyautotune.com/tech_articles...azda_miata.htm One thing- that writeup says to use 1k resistors on the SparkOut mods- use something smaller, like 270 or 330 instead.
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The only thing one needs to do when following my writeup, when doing a standalone install, is performing the idle control mod as shown in the mega manual. Everything else should be the same.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 316907)
The only thing one needs to do when following my writeup, when doing a standalone install, is performing the idle control mod as shown in the mega manual. Everything else should be the same.
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It'll run fine with the 1ks. I went with a smaller value as a sort of thought-experiment after an exchange with the guys at DIY. It makes the trigger signal much prettier (if you happen to be observing it on an oscilloscope) but seems to make no functional difference.
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 316673)
Whoops- my bad. Yup, the '120 replaces Q4. Q20 is the overcurrent protection clamp which needs to not be there when you're running PWM (which, by definition, will be sinking a lot more current than that circuit was originally designed to deal with.)
Since the Q20 spot is going to wind up unoccupied in the end, you could always just break the pads off the circuit board with a X-acto knife if you've really munged them up that badly. |
Originally Posted by lordrigamus
(Post 317080)
Haha...he said munged!:giggle:
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 317131)
See usage #2: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/M/mung.html
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Can the TIP120 do without the mica insulator? It didn't come with one from DIY like the other things that attach to the heatsink (that require an insulator anyway).
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Like I said in post #2, the TIP12x family datasheets do not indicate that the tab is electrically active, however it's almost always good practice to isolate metal-tabbed devices.
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