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MSPNP2 - Discuss:
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cool logo?
not much else i can discuss without more details. |
I just saw this on Facebook - posted by DIY Autotune. I figured you cats in the know might have some deets. :-) Guess not. I haven't been on here a lot lately so I didn't want to assume this was a surprise.
So anyone know anything? I'm just curious. Don't imagine there's any compelling reason to go with this over just updating my MS1. |
apparently it's a ms2. on a brand new mainboard.
has built in det can with a headphone jack, knock conditioner, can drive low-ohm injectors, some other shit i already forgot what ben just told me. |
what are the differences between this and the DIYPNP apart from being fully assembled and the price tag?
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Originally Posted by spikes
(Post 803662)
what are the differences between this and the DIYPNP apart from being fully assembled and the price tag?
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Would be nice if they had bluetooth connectivity.
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Strictly a 90-97 item? I hope not...99-00 do want!
If this runs a '99 true PNP with all stock sensors and '99 alternator...I'm buyin one. |
Originally Posted by spikes
(Post 803662)
what are the differences between this and the DIYPNP apart from being fully assembled and the price tag?
Originally Posted by thirdgen
(Post 803725)
Strictly a 90-97 item? I hope not...99-00 do want! If this runs a '99 true PNP with all stock sensors and '99 alternator...I'm buyin one.
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Very cool. I guess that 1st gen MSpnp9093 in my green car is now effectively a paper-weight when it comes time to replacement. Where are the details on the DIYAutotune exchange plan?
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Response from my question on the DIYAutoTune facebook page
Onboard Peak-n-Hold drivers allow you to run any injectors you'd like, hi-z or low-z. Improved Knock Circuit that is tuned for the knock frequency of the engine and eliminates noise based on RPM. Det Can output allows you to plug in headphones to the knock circuit and listen for knock while you tune! CanBUS is brought out to the spare connector allowing easy addition of external can devices. Base maps will come ready to fire the car up easily and fine tune. (this is available for some DIYPNP applications, but not for the majority of them) We are beginning work to build a larger network of tuners that are familiar with and tuning MSPNP Gen2's as well. When we put these in their hands and they see how easily they install and are tuned, and how the results are as good or better than what they've been using, they'll become very familiar with TunerStudio and MSPNP, and that will be a good thing for all of you. We started putting an emphasis on this at PRI, and have further plans to grow and expand this shortly after the release of the first models. They'll have a warranty since we built and tested them here. Kits are only warrantied against DOA components, not the assembled final product since we didn't do it/test it here. That's what I see right off the top. I probably missed something.... |
How much are they running? |
Can I be in that network of tuners?
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Originally Posted by djp0623
(Post 803986)
How much are they running? |
Originally Posted by BenR
(Post 803707)
Would be nice if they had bluetooth connectivity.
Wow yea, that would be amazing. |
Originally Posted by BenR
(Post 803707)
Would be nice if they had bluetooth connectivity.
Originally Posted by thirdgen
(Post 803725)
Strictly a 90-97 item? I hope not...99-00 do want!
If this runs a '99 true PNP with all stock sensors and '99 alternator...I'm buyin one. |
Originally Posted by Matt Cramer
(Post 805250)
The first Miata MSPNPs out the door will be for '90-'93 and '94-'95, but we plan to offer NB versions in the future. One of the reasons for the Gen 2 design was that the Gen 1 design wasn't flexible enough to make a NB Miata MSPNP.
Need a test dummy? |
correct. and they already have access the NBs in the shop. The only thing that would be holding them back is the alternator control circuit they'd have to build in...otherwise running the NB is nothing new to them. Like I said, we already have MS2 running 90-05.
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Originally Posted by Matt Cramer
(Post 805250)
The first Miata MSPNPs out the door will be for '90-'93 and '94-'95, but we plan to offer NB versions in the future. One of the reasons for the Gen 2 design was that the Gen 1 design wasn't flexible enough to make a NB Miata MSPNP.
If I want to run sequential fuel, an NB crank sensor w/ modded CAS for the CMP should I look at the MSpnp2 or MS3? How much and how soon could you do one for my 1991? (PM me if you want) I feel like I should "grow up" and put a better computer in my turbo car, its keeping me up at night. |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 808556)
If I want to run sequential fuel, an NB crank sensor w/ modded CAS for the CMP should I look at the MSpnp2 or MS3?
Both can fulfil your requirements. |
Originally Posted by richyvrlimited
(Post 808603)
With the Trackspeed 12 tooth crank trigger wheel?
Both can fulfil your requirements. |
AFAIK you can't use the OEM NB crank trigger and a modified NA CAS, so you'd have to use the 12 tooth trigger from trackspeed.
Lop one of the teeth off then follow these instructions. http://www.msextra.com/doc/ms2extra/...Miss_Tooth.htm You can add the cam sensor into the mix once it's running off the crank trigger very quickly and simply (i.e. turn it on). |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 808556)
Why are you guys using MS2 and not MS3?
If I want to run sequential fuel, an NB crank sensor w/ modded CAS for the CMP should I look at the MSpnp2 or MS3? |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 808614)
Cost, people are cheap.
Both can do it. What head do you have? why cant you use an NB cam sensor as well? He also cut off the front of his VC so he can't hook a cam sensor up. |
well that was silly.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 808622)
well that was silly.
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 808614)
Both can do it. What head do you have? why cant you use an NB cam sensor as well?
The MSpnp2 is also more attractive to me because the case will probably fit in the factory location, rather than trying to move the computer behind the seat. |
My ms3 fits in stock location (under passenger feet).
The DIYPNP2 is probably best for you because you are full retard :) |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 808556)
Why are you guys using MS2 and not MS3?
If I want to run sequential fuel, an NB crank sensor w/ modded CAS for the CMP should I look at the MSpnp2 or MS3? How much and how soon could you do one for my 1991? (PM me if you want) I feel like I should "grow up" and put a better computer in my turbo car, its keeping me up at night. |
Thanks. MS3 sounds great, but I don't think I'm going to use any of the fancy stuff over MS2 stuff. I have stock MS3 wiring with two spare wires hanging out for sequential fuel, when that time comes.
Originally Posted by Matt Cramer
(Post 808631)
Assuming it's got stock 1991 wiring, the Gen 2 MSPNP will be out in a couple weeks, and around $800.
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Learning MS stuff is like masterbating your brain and ejaculating awesomeness.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 808645)
Learning MS stuff is like masterbating your brain and ejaculating awesomeness.
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Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 808632)
Thanks. MS3 sounds great, but I don't think I'm going to use any of the fancy stuff over MS2 stuff. I have stock MS3 wiring with two spare wires hanging out for sequential fuel, when that time comes.
All I really want to change is the CKP set-up, sequential fuel, and maybe sequential spark if I switch to LSx coils. Does this mean I need to get over it and learn to build my own? Stock Miata wiring, the MSPNP Gen 2 can do this except for sequential spark. Doesn't have enough I/O to run that, fans, and boost at the same time. |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 808556)
I feel like I should "grow up" and put a better computer in my turbo car, its keeping me up at night.
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JEE happiness is "my man" in the lab informing me that this will be finding its way into The Banana =D now just to put in the overtime at work to pay for it =(
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 808645)
Learning MS stuff is like masterbating your brain and ejaculating awesomeness.
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 808646)
:blah:
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Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 808625)
The MSpnp2 is also more attractive to me because the case will probably fit in the factory location, rather than trying to move the computer behind the seat.
I've got my MSPNP9093 in the factory location. Even with all the relays and other garbage I mounted to it, it fits fine. Bolted to the floor with wellnuts. |
This is freaken awesome.
Adaptronic better lower their prices for the 440 or they will sell jack shit next year. 800 is a bit steep compared to a diypnp but I can see these things selling like hotcakes once you guys make em for NB+ |
I would love to hear from the master matt what the difference are between this and diypnp I am about to buy. Will either one do boost control based on speed or is that a ms3 thing only.
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Matt,
If you get the MS2/Extra guys to adopt my firmware mods into the base release you could perhaps wire up AC Idle Up and Clutch PID Lockout Mods to improve the OEM stability for idle too... if you send me a sample device I'd be happy to test the firmware :P G |
Originally Posted by 90 Turbo
(Post 816976)
I would love to hear from the master matt what the difference are between this and diypnp I am about to buy. Will either one do boost control based on speed or is that a ms3 thing only.
Functionally they will be the same; the MSPNP2 will obviously more expensive as it's a pnp and has all the extras built in as discussed. the DIYPNP will be cheaper as you have to assemble it yourself and some custom circuitry/componets must be added if you want it to perform the like mspnp2 out of the box. So, it's more like, do you want to spend less and build it yourself, or do you want ot spend more and install it right away? |
What's the predicted usefulness of the knock sensing setup in the MSPNP2?
I'd really like to add some knocksensing awsomeness when I get my 11+:1 VVT engine back into the car (I need every safety measure I can think of, I don't trust myself as a tuner/user). I still have some space in the DIYPNP box so a copy of the circuit would fit I guess. |
if you can get a schematic for it...
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 817157)
if you can get a schematic for it...
If it works, I don't have a problem with a decently priced kit. I would however prefer a kit for internal use, but a separate box would be ok too. |
What compontents need to be added to the diypnp to make it as funtional as the mspnp2 other than the more complete knock sensor?
I saw the Low imp injectors will work anything else I should consider before pulling the trigger today on a diypnp? |
without knowing what the MSPNP2 actually has, for a 90-93, nothing.
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Originally Posted by gslender
(Post 817016)
Matt,
If you get the MS2/Extra guys to adopt my firmware mods into the base release you could perhaps wire up AC Idle Up and Clutch PID Lockout Mods to improve the OEM stability for idle too... if you send me a sample device I'd be happy to test the firmware :P G |
Originally Posted by NiklasFalk
(Post 817155)
What's the predicted usefulness of the knock sensing setup in the MSPNP2?
I'd really like to add some knocksensing awsomeness when I get my 11+:1 VVT engine back into the car (I need every safety measure I can think of, I don't trust myself as a tuner/user). |
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