New Tuner Studio version with VEanalyze live
 

Hi,

the new Version of Tuner Studio just came out. Had some language problems today but that is gone -

Special new feature is the implemented VEanalyze live. Unfortunately I can't try until April. So please someone go out and tell us how it works.

Greets

on that shit. ill try it saturday.

Cool, thanks for the update.

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Megasquirt MSEXTRA and MS3EFI • View topic - Release 0.990

release:
http://www.efianalytics.com/TunerStu...S_v0.990.3.msi

Sweeeeeeeeeeett!
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Hmm, the authority limits aren't "sticking" when I set them. 50% is too high. I wanted to try 10%. Which can still be a huge change in high load. Unfortunately the max cell change is also not sticking for me.

This is a super cool feature. I am just shakey using something that will alter my fuel map without my intervention that potentially may not have a real limit on authority.

Seems to be a bug...

I'm quivering with excitement:giggle: . I'm definitely going to try this out this weekend.

Ve analyze live? So analyzing and changing cells as you drive? Why not call it autotune. Dammit I need a laptop with a working battery, it's bad enough I can only do an idle log.

Because the "autotune" in megatune sucks serious ass. If I were Phil Tobin, I'd distance myself from that shit too :).

and because everyone here has already used his VEanalyzer program in MLV and it's the same damn thing but 'live'...

In my own infinite wisdom I have chosen to wait for Y'all to go ahead and try this before I do. :noob:

So this my be a stupid question but, do you have to open MLV to use the live feature or is in built in to the TS? Im new to TS so go easy on me.

it's a new autotune feature that's built into TS. I bet one day he'll merge his entire MLV app as well.

It looks fantastic, I'm about to head out and try it :D

Report back asap!
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funny thing is i really dont need to tune my map anymore really.

I upgraded to the new version on my laptop. It looks pretty easy to use and like it's gonna be a badass program. Just one question:

On the max cell change setting, that's the max it can change a cell over what time period, one MLV live session? Or every time it makes an adjustment? Also, is the default wb delay correct?

same here. and damn if ill let it adjust more than 10 points if that.

This is perfect for me since I just build my new turbo set up and have not tuned it yet! I hope it works well. Lets hear some reviews.

It feels like it's my birthday

Works just like VE analyzer except no switching between programs or loading maps.

Pretty cool from the play I've had so far

so do you just let it do its thing for awhile and then burn or what?

Oh my gawd! :D

I was prompted by TS and installed the update today at work on my laptop, I didn't even see the new feature "VE Analyser live":facepalm:

Another nice addition that I noticed was that any cell changes you make to your VE table holds the "red" and "blue" colours and notes previous values even after closing the table and re-opening it/switching 3D view etc. The old version used to lock the live trail after importing a modified VE table from MLV which meant you were forced to close the table and re-open it if you wanted to watch the live trail as you drive.

I did spot another issue too, I made changes by interpreting MLV data while offline and modifying my MSQ by hand in TS while offline and saving it to my usual folder. When connecting the laptop to my MS and connecting successfully, there was no 'settings change report' prompt? It confused me for second, so I had to manually load my MSQ in while my MS was online.

I'll try this new feature tomorrow for sure! I'm very excited about it if it does what it says on the tin!

yip

So I'm gonna throw my noob towel up and ask this, If I'm using MT can I switch to TS? what would I have to do to convert if anything sorry flame away!!

Nope, just follow that guide that someone posted a while ago, and you are all set. All of your settings are stored on the ECU, so when you install TS, you set up your car's "profile" and are good to go!

:drool: awesome now searching to find link lol Thanks

My setup (.ini) files were different. So I had to change the afr gauge settings to read AFR instead of volts again. Other than that the menus are nearly identical. I think the nicest part was the gauges working behind the menus, and the little icons in the drop down menus. I always had to read every entry to find the AFR target table, now I know exactly where it is, it's the only table under "more settings"

My batteries dead, so I can only rev away at a stop with the laptop plugged in, but I'm going to go try this now, I'll report back in a few minutes.

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Well there it is. I can't get it to change anything, even with the resistance set to easy. As I said I can only rev it since my laptop battery is dead, and I'm unboosted since my 440's are out for cleaning, but at least this shows you what it looks like. The only time it wants to change something is when I floor the throttle, at which point it filters the log due to a "accel flag", whatever that means. Pretty simple though, me likely.

Thanks for the screenshot, I'm anxious to try this out.

Probably that it's ignoring the info since it's been "tainted" by the AE.

Curly.. had the bad laptop battery thing too and on my ancient POS a new battery was ~$40... bought a $4 car adapter for it instead, no battery needed.

I can verify that it works pretty well. Took it for a few runs and gave it a 10% authority, it didn't blow my shit up and it started dialing down my wot afrs. Seems like a super win...as soon as the "small" problem with the changes not visually taking effect.

Was ur clt over 140 degrees? because if not it wouldnt make any changes

Damn, if I can get my car to idle. I'll be doing this tomorrow.

Down below where it says "active filter:", it's blank. I had it up at 160 but I didn't want to wait that long, it says "active filter: min clt". No warnings like MLV saying that 100% of the log was ignored because of settings.

see mine dont take...

After doing the autotune for a while, I saved a new .msq and when I reviewed my logs in MLV the fuel tables were changed accordingly. This is a bit troublesome though, I don't want my shit to start corrupting or making changes I cant see...

i meant changing the limits. I cant change the default 50% values. and im not going to let it have that much authority.

Oooooooh. I see. I'm positive that those changes take. There is a bug that doesn't update the button text. If you click the button again, the value that you set is still in there, meaning that the variable in memory which controls the authority is taking.

It keeps the changes but doesn't display. If you open the tab again, there is your value you put in. Phil is going to change that soon. It's a "visual" bug.

aiight homeys.

What values are you using, also when I change one its makes the other the same, I can't make them different.
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I think the button is just telling you that the maximum authority that you can request is 50. I'm not sure if it is a bug, or just not well thought out. It takes when you set the value. Set it, then click on the button again. The button should tell you the current authority with the max authority limit in parentheses.

I tried with 10 on both.
Just tested - seems to change both to the same value.
Also a bug I suppose.

playing with it on the stim is fun.

I drove around with it a little today going between work sites. I like it. It helped smooth out my tune. I limited it to an authority of 5. Are you guys sticking with the default delay (ms) settings? What is everyone using for their cell change resistance setting. I left it on normal.

Update: I also ran a datalog while it was autotuning. You can see it hone in on the target afr. I'm very pleased. It's amazing how little time needs to be spent on a cell for it to do a quality adjustment. Much faster than my LINK.

I set the cell change resistance to "hard" because I always seem to have overshoot problems with MLV and used an authority of 10.

ZOMG THIS THING IS AWESOME! Smoothed my table WAY out. It stopped working after I opened TS and reloaded my .msq, so there might be a bug where it only works the first time you reload it, I had to restart TS every time I wanted to start it again. Anyways, AFR are rock solid and it revs much smoother. Settings are normal and 10. There's a cool feature I just found out too, if you hold your mouse over the cell it tells you how many times you hit that cell, what it was originally, and a few other things I can't remember.

Can't wait to get my injectors sent of to RC engineering and try it with the turbo. Love this!

Same, only works first time. I can't get it to burn, but exporting a table works so that's ok.

Wow! 1 short drive with this has made the engine smoother than a few months tuning with mlv. I tried it with authority 10, default delay, and normal. Burn does work.. reopen TS and you will see the updated map.

Now I just need a car charger for the laptop

I forgot to say I bought a $60 ac adaptor for the car for $25. Radio Shack was changing packaging and it was discounted. Came with a bag nicer then the one that comes with Crown Royal.

popopopop, make sure you have "update controller" set to on (checked).

So what is the verdict on this program people ? :ugh2:

Is it fit for use ? :x:

If you read though my excited posts, yes it is fit for use. It only seems to work the first time you open TS. If you press "stop autotune", you'll have to restart TS. The authority button graphic doesn't update when you change it's value. Otherwise it works great.

I think that reproducibility speaks a lot for how well something works. I ran around town for a little bit with the autotune feature enabled. I burned the new VE table.

Later I drove around town again with the autotune feature enabled. It didn't change a single cell. This gives me a high level of confidence that it is tuning correctly.

However, I can tell you that my WBO2 readings only fluctuate by about .3 of a point. If you have a really noisy AFR reading then I would imagine it would take longer to tune.

I like it, and will continue to use it. However, I do not think it is a substitute for a quality dynotune.

I will use this new feature to dial in my tune, and then take it to a quality tuner to ensure that my shit is together.

Careful, I'd be suspect if it didn't change anything. Like myself and a few others have said, it doesn't always work, TS resets are required. Try selecting a few cells in the idle range, raising them 5-10 points and see if autotune brings them back down. It changed my idle cells instantly, once it was working anyways.

It does now - there is already a new update.

Very good point about repeatability !

What are you guys setting Authority, step size etc. ?

I've only used MLV/VE Analyzer a couple of times so I don't want to mess up what I've already done to my VE table.

I've also thought of finding a dyno in my area but I don't think they would pay much attention to the things that I've tried to fix like the cold idle starting and other driveability issues that are important to me.

It would be nice if they were to develop a program that would also develop the spark table/timing curve. It seems that it would have to work in conjunction with at least a knock sensor.....

i would definitly look for a tuner that understands the ms2 version of ms. i think it is fairly easy to get someone to tune ve/spark. it's the finer points that takes talent. such as tip in, accel enrich, etc. this is also where it would be nice to get someone that understands miatas. i feel fortunate to only be 4 hrs from DIY in Atlanta. i want the complete tuning package this time. let's faceit, it's fun to tune and datalog. however, at somepoint you want the confidence that u can get in your ride and not worry that it's going to blow up.

I've got to chip in and say I used Autotune today and christ it's good!:bowrofl:

Just as MLV works, it's sampling all the time so you need to hit as many different cells in all manor of driving styles/gears to get the best out of it. It's so beautiful to watch the sampling take place and the shape of the table change whilst also being able to keep an eye on the AFRs.

My settings were stock Lambda, 5 max cell change, 20% authority, set to HARD and it smoothed my already pretty good tuned VE which I honed in MLV.

Im very impressed.