Noob spark table question
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I found the first on Miata .net, while the second image is the first spark table in the default MSPNP map (w/AFM) and the third image, the second spark table. To me, the second spark table looks far more like a stock Miata table might look.
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93' 1.6 that is.
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Originally Posted by jonljacobi
(Post 662746)
the second spark table. To me, the second spark table looks far more like a stock Miata table might look.
What am I missing? |
Keep in mind that a naturally aspirated engine can only go up to 101.3kPa @ sea level, or whatever the atmospheric pressure is at your elevation, and from 0-100kPa the last two maps are relatively similar, with the middle one a little more aggressive and scaled for boost.
Idk why the last spark table only goes to 6400 rpm and has funky rpm intervals though.. where did you get it? It looks like it's for a supercharged v8. |
It was the spark table 2 from the stock MSPNP map with the AFM. I guess it's not used, but I was wondering. Now why would they put a map in accounting for boost if they say it's for a stock Miata?
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Originally Posted by jonljacobi
(Post 662803)
It was the spark table 2 from the stock MSPNP map with the AFM. I guess it's not used, but I was wondering. Now why would they put a map in accounting for boost if they say it's for a stock Miata?
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I don't suppose they gave you a why on that? ;-)
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my map is very close to the attached OEM 1.6L WOT map.
http://www.boostedmiata.com/gallery2...iii_timing.jpg The maps you posted are retarded to keep shit safe as a base. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 662976)
my map is very close to the attached OEM 1.6L WOT map.
http://www.boostedmiata.com/gallery2...iii_timing.jpg The maps you posted are retarded to keep shit safe as a base. |
And if you look at the 100kPa row, it's very similar to the oem map, a little advance in lower RPMs and less advanced in upper rpms...but not by much.
I know DIYautotune found that, N/A, they make best power on the map they provide without risking too much advance. So around the lower 30s should suffice for most people...going more advance probably nets no extra power. They have the dyno, I don't. |
Originally Posted by 90R
(Post 662816)
the explanation I was given is. If a turbo owner tries to run an NA map they risk engine failure. If an NA owner runs a turbo map they risk using a lower resolution table.
However, since the second table actually goes up to about 5psi (if I'm not deluded) then it would work as well. What I'm wondering is why the stock table goes all the way up to 230 kpa which is way, way more boost than I'm capable of. I guess I'm going to do my own which tops out with my own measly 5 psi. A lot to learn, though it's beginning to make sense. One of these first days, there'll be one of these things that tunes itself without even having to attach laptop. Need to go logging and maybe smooth out some of the rough spots. I'm pretty sure they didn't do this map in cold weather! ;-) |
You'll have to rework the entire map if you ever run more than 5psi. Just leave it scaled to 230kPa and tune within your window. There's no real loss of resolution since there isn't much change happening between rows/columns.
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Sounds like a better idea. Less work.
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One thing I still don't get. Why does the table from Miata.net say 10 BTDC at 800 rpm, and the MSPNP 17 BTDC. Is there some sort of offset that I'm not getting, or is there more info I'm lacking?
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When's the last time you saw your timing map hit 800RPM at 100kPa?
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Originally Posted by jonljacobi
(Post 663094)
One thing I still don't get. Why does the table from Miata.net say 10 BTDC at 800 rpm, and the MSPNP 17 BTDC. Is there some sort of offset that I'm not getting, or is there more info I'm lacking?
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no. the basemap from diy idles at 17*. the stock miata doesn't always idle at 10*.
i idle at 12* without a/c and 17* with. whatever works. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 663114)
no. the basemap from diy idles at 17*. the stock miata doesn't always idle at 10*.
i idle at 12* without a/c and 17* with. whatever works. |
no. you intially lock your timing at 10° when you install your MS to simply sync the CAS signal to the MS. it's an arbitrary number. You could set it to 0° or 20° and do the same.
on their map, they like to idle at 17°, and thus is why that area is all 17°. They also like to idle at 13.0:1. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 663128)
no. you intially lock your timing at 10° when you install your MS to simply sync the CAS signal to the MS. it's an arbitrary number. You could set it to 0° or 20° and do the same.
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