Using TunerStudioMS for Tuning Megasquirt - Guide
 

Ok, Since I've been answering soooo many questions on getting TunerStudio set up properly, I've decided to make this little Setup guide. Feel Free to add things or some more advice for clarification.

Setting up TunerStudio:
Install TunerStudioMS through the installation program. Get it HERE.

When you first get the program, open it up, and you will be welcomed with this "familiar" screen.
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/2...ningscreen.jpg
If you notice, the layout is very similar to MegaTune. Fortunately, you can change the layout completely later, and its up to your liking. There are a few made preset templates already set up, and you customize them to your liking later.

Next, Go to the file menu, and select Project. Under the pull up menu in Projects, you will given a few choices related to the project. Since you want to set up for your car, the first thing you want to do is SELECT NEW PROJECT.

This screen should open up. Name the project that you can easily Identify, and make it specific. For example, MSI-Extra Hi-Res 10G.
Save it to the TunerStudio Projects Folder. Some people have reported problems trying to open files when its saved in the TunerStudio Installation folder. Save it to your documents to alleviate this problem.
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/5...dselection.jpg

Next, you need to select the firmware you will be using. This is may be the most confusing part for some people, but to be honest, it is by far the EASIEST to set up compared to MegaTune. You can select "Detect" by having your megasquirt hooked up to the computer to determine the code to use, OR you can use the best way by manually choosing the firmware.

First you need to download the firmware you want to use. Many of you may have it already from DIY's download package, and you can find them in the Megasquirt folder that is installed when you install DIY's software package.

Either way, find the folder of the firmware, or UNZIP the firmware you download. Next back on the TunerStudio Screen, click the "OTHER" box on the firmware portion, and click "..." afterwards.
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/5...waredetect.jpg

A windows explorer window should open up. Go to the firmware folder and find the ms firmware file. It should look something similar to this.

You can download HR_10g here: http://www.boostedmiata.com/MS/msq/f...msns-extra.ini

MSII or DIYPNP/Microsquirt Users: Your file will say specifically for your version. Select ms2.ini for MSII/PIYPNP users, an us2.ini for MicroSquirt Users.
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When you select it, TunerStudio will automatically determine the firmware file. After you select it, the firmware will show which version here:
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From there, you may enter a description if you want, I just left mine blank.
After you're done, click next.

On the next page, choose your settings for however you want to set up your car. MSI and MSII settings will look DIFFERENT. Choose your WB choice, Temperature settings, and the like. I don't know what the MEMPAGE or LOGPAGE is used for, so I just didnt touch them. MSII/DIYPNP users wont see this setting I think, and youll see a way to select for Microsquirt or something. DIYPNP, please double check, I'm not exactly sure on this part to whether choose Microsqurit or MSII settings here, because I do remember someone saying to leave the settings as MSII.

EDIT: MSI users need to copy the .inc files from your MegaTune Project folder's MTcfg folder and copy them into your new TS Project folder's inc folder.

After you are done, click next.

The next page, you will choice your comunication port settings. Just set it the same as your serial port/USB serial setting port. You don't have to test it at this point. Make sure you set the correct speed as well for MSI or MSII users.

On the next page, you can choose a custom dash here. If you dont like the plain looking old one, you can choose one of the like, or custom set your own. I liked on eof them, but IMO, it didnt show enough information, so I customized it and added some more information as well as removed some unnecessary indicators at the bottom. This is what mine looks like now:
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/433...customdash.jpg

After you're done choosing, click finish. YOURE DONE! Thats it!

You can customize your dash by right clicking the dash and selecting "Dash designer." It's still a little buggy on getting the settings right, but you should be able to figure it out.

Setting up your MSQ is EXACTLY the same as Megatune, only some things may be in different places. If you want a "megatune" menu feel, go to options --> Navigation --> Megatune style.

The interface is great, 3D tables look better as well. Unfortunately there is no AUTOTUNE capabilities yet, but it will be added in the future. Check out msextra.com forums for updates to the software.

HAPPY TUNING!

One more thing I forgot to add:

When you want to have multiple firmwares to choose, I recommend making a NEW PROJECT for each firmware. That way, you can easily change the firmware by just opening the specific project that uses the firmware. I recommend this method, since there there are multiple versions for some firmwares.

For example, there are 2-3 different versions to use for MSII extra. Each one has different settings and allowable input numbers, i.e. MSII-Extra Alpha 3.0.3 released on 9-7-09 was only allowed up to a multiple of 8 for frequency on idle control, while MSII-Extra Alpha 3.0.3 released on 9-12-09 had allowable up to 15.

It is also helpful in allowing you to downgrade without having to change settings, just open the old firmware, but make sure you burn the old firmware too.

You might be my new hero :bigtu: You definitely would be if you posted your custom dash file.

Geez..thanks for the contribution...this is why I love this site.

After reading the other thread I'm switching this weekend.

If you guys want, we can actually post our custom dash faces here, but thats considering if the mods allow it. .msl and .dash files would need to be added since .msl files are are the format which TunerStudio saves its logs. .csv is also a format used when using the tooth or sync logger.

If my vote counts I'd be all for that.

I'm sure Brain would do it anyways after he starts playing around with TunerStudio.

Sounds good. It's pretty easy to create a dash. I've been playing with it for about half an hour. It is however a little more difficult to get a nice looking dash. It could be quite time consuming.

Marc,

Nice write up thanks. I also have a miata mk2 1999 1.8 nb with 440cc injections, turbo, ic. I am planning to fit a either a Megasquirt 2, DIYPNP or possibly holding out the ms3.

I want to use the stock sensors where possible and wire it to the stock harness.

How did you wire yours in? parrallel or full stand alone?
Did you use the stock hall signal or a 36-1 wheel?
If its the stock hall/ cas signal are all the setting the same on the 99-00 nb miata's?

I cant get me head around setting the initial timing. I can find TDC on spark 1 etc but can't work out the setting. I think it has a magnetic trigger wheel with 4 raising edges.

Has anyone managed to do a PNP harness for the normal ms2?

Thanks

Im running full standalone with Abe's PNP board. I am using stock NB sensors, it has the original crank and cam sensors. They are basically the same setting for most NB's.

As for a PNP harness, for standalone, Abe has made one. For parallel, Many have made them, not only me. I just was running MSI at the time, rather than MSII

What do you mean by initial timing? If you mean setting the timing, you can do that after you get your car started.

Thanks,

I thought it had to be the ms2 board that to run it off the cam cas signal.

Once i have wired it correctly could I just upload to the file 'MSIIE Miata99.msq' to start the engine?

For the 36-a trigger wheel I had to work out where top dead center was then mark how many teeth between the missing tooth and the sensor.

Would u recommend the MS1 or MS2?

i have just been playing around with tuner studio and it looks awesome!!

For NB sensors, yes you need to use MS2. MS1 cannot understand the crank wheel and cam markings on NBs.

That MSQ must be my old one.

I don't know about what you are using for your crank wheel. do you plan to use a 36-1 or stock NB sensors?

I am seeing differences in coolant temp and intake temps between TS and megatune. Can anyone else confirm this?

7degF difference in coolant temp and about 5 degF difference in intake temps.
I used Marc's method to set up TS. Running MSPNP hi res no maf.


Thanks

This writeup failed to mention that you need to copy your easytherm .inc files into your project folders "inc" folder.

Yes. Now the temps match up. Thanks Brain.

I don't even know where easytherm puts those files...and I never move them with the Megatune reflashes or project folders.

Maybe this is why my fuel map changes with the seasons? :shrug:

Good catch. After I went with MSII, I didn't even bother with those, so i completely forgot.

Wish i could edit the original post. Maybe you can brain?

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Oh I already had. :brain:

Thanks mark, i have been having problems after loading the extra code on megatune , took your advice and instructions here and had tunerstudio working inabout 2 minutes !!!! this is the way to go !! so easy , thanks

Question:

I had Megatune up and running and a PnP Megasquirt when I downloaded this program. I used it briefly and seemed to work well enough but I continued to use Meagatune just because I am more familiar with it.

If I want to use Tuner Studio do I have to do all the steps outlined aboove ?

Thanks

basically, you need to install it ,then open it up and hit new project. name the project and power up your MS unit, then say retrieve firmware. save the project and pick the settings it prompts for for the o2 and crap. then you need to copy your .inc files into the new directory it creates in your my docs folder and you're done. its pretty much the same, its a lot easier to use.

Thanks man!

I'll try it.

I should have mentioned this earlier - I already had Megatune installed when I loaded Tuner Studio. :sad2:

Yesterday I opened an existing MSQ into Tuner Studio and it seems to work fine so I'm wondering if I need to retrieve firm ware and all that and risk me doing something wrong ( ? )

Thanks and Happy New Year !!! :naughty:

It seemed to work fine when I hammered a square peg into a round hole....

Why do you have to question everything? Do it right: create a new project, load the correct firmware, and copy over your inc files. It's not that hard.

I (think) did it with the lap top connected to the ECU...

What was I supposed to choose for a KPA/MAP sensor or scale ? I rushed and now I'm wondering if I did it wrong....

TS runs much better than MT in my lap top. :drool:

well...what map sensor do you have? is it a MSPNP9093 or 94-97?

PnP 90-93

Great guide. This should remind me to read more in detail.

I'm getting an offline after I hit detect. I'm trying to figure it out right now.

Mine does the same thing, but for some reason still runs fine when I use one of the mspnp-extra.ini files instead...you might want to try that.

Yeah I think I'm gonna keep playing around with it. Try to open a msq file. Thanks for the advice Turbo.

How do you guys use the accelerator wizard in Tuner Studio ?

What do you look for as far as the plot on the botom of the screen?

Thanks

Ego tuning PID settings
 

I'm putting this question here becasue the other tunerstudio ve live was getting off topic and a lot of it was my fault.

Matt from diy gave me this info.

Proportional - More correction the further away the AFR is from the target.
Integral - More correction the more time it's been away from the AFR target.
Derivative - Higher numbers cause it to slow down its correction the
faster the AFR is changing.

The settings can be seen in our DIYPNP base maps - they're all MS2/Extra
based.

What is everyone using for their ego settings? Matt said they usually use simple instead of PID.

Next on the list.

Has anyone successfully setup closed loop idle? I'm going to try the recommended settings from the MS3 extra documentation

Trying to change everything from volts to a/f's....any idea?

Did you edit your INI files to match what you had in MT? Are you using an AEM wideband?

Which INI files? Yes, I'm using the aem analog wb...

See if this explains it.

https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t28005/

Well I got it to read in a/fs but now I'm getting error messages when loaded the project, saying that the msq is in volts and the project is in a/fs.

I had that too. Try reloading your old MSQ into the project with the values in AFR. If that doesn't work read your MSQ from the MS in the car and save it.

Well for some reason it won't let me automatically detect the file and pull it out of the ms itself. Is there any real negative recourse for having it tell you of the units mismatch each time you load your msq?

save this somewhere and tell it use it: http://boostedmiata.com/MS/msq/firmware/msns-extra.ini

(right click, save link as, save as txt)

Anyone using TS on a mac?

I don't know if it's of any help but I've seen that someone is using Tunerstudio on Mac OS X 10.6.x on the msextra forum.

AEM and AFR reading
 

Win7 Home Premium 64bit:

For my AFR Target tables to show up as AFR instead of volts using AEM I had to edit the mainController file in c:\users\Name\My Documents\TunerStudioProjects\Miata\projectCfg\mainController

Where Name is your username and Miata is whatever you called your project.

Changed these lines per instructions from the sticky thread

Look for the following lines in that "page = 7" section:

#elif AEM_LINEAR
afrBins1 = array, U08, 0, [8x8], "Volts", 0.0196, 0, 0.0, 5.0, 2

You want to make the following changes, which I've highlighted in red:

#elif AEM_LINEAR
afrBins1 = array, U08, 0, [8x8], "AFR", 0.038666, 255.0, 10.0, 20.0, 1

Also had to either adjust or disable User Account Control.

What do you mean by this?

Well for some reason mine still says there are unit mismatches every time I load up my msq.

did you activate the hr_10g firmware in configurator like i keep sayin?

I told him he needed to check that too! I think. I had the same error, but it only happened the first time I opened the msq after changing to AFR's.

There's no configurator option under TS...The only way to get to it is through MS...am I supposed to activate it through ms?

it's under the project

Sorry, then you gotta go to File > Project > Project Properties

Then under the configuration tab, change the ECU definition to "MS/Extra format hr_10 *******" If you dont have that, select other, then browse to the file you should have downloaded:

this one: http://boostedmiata.com/MS/msq/firmw...extra.ini.hr10

Okay so I just started a new project and use that hr10 file as my firmare file. I activated it through MS and changed it to the AFR instead of volts. Now when I open my project it does not tell me about the differences. But, if I go in and just load my msq rather than loading the project first it says there is an error.

You can put the MSQ in your project folder and it'll load that one.

Yeah....If I just click the msq on my desktop is loads under TEMP. So instead I just open up TS, open my specific project, and there you go...no error. Thanks!

Yeah, I'm still getting used to the project nuances myself, I still use MT for loading other's files because it's easier to swap between projects with errors and crap.

Where exactly are you sticking the msq in your project folder? Just generally in the specific folder or one of the sub-folders? When I open the project if no longer says the name of the msq at the bottom right portion of the screen like it would otherwise.

there should be a default or offlinetune .msq file that gets created for each project, so long as you open TS it'll preload the last tune you saved so you shouldnt be clicking on msq files, just open the software and itll already be loaded.

Ahhhh okay, I'm still just getting used to this so thanks for being understanding. I'm used to the simplicity of a dtec.

If you make any offline changes to the MSQ file on the controller, TS can be made to perform a "difference report" upon connecting. Previous versions of TS prior to the auto-tune update had this defaulted to "on". The recent update has this option turned off, I thought it was an update bug but Richyvrltd brought the option to my attention and I turned it back on.
It's under OPTIONS - PREFERENCES - PERFORM DIFFERENCE REPORT UPON CONNECT. Handy to have on if you like to hand-smooth and make changes in the comfort of your own home while offline or if you are constantly opening other peoples maps in your project.

Are there just three inc files that you need to copy overto the inc folder in the TS project directory?... Airdenfactor, matfactor, and thermfactor?