Who uses the Boost by gear feature and how...
Hi,
back from the race track with the experience of a 360 comming out of a 90deg 3rd gear corner with a little patch of different tarmacs - I started thinking about the boost by gear feature. ATM I am running ~17-18 psi (210 kPa target) in all gears and with my flimsy 205/40-17 tires this is struggeling for traction quite a bit in lower gears. (I will be swapping to 8x15 wheels with 205 or maybe 225 tires next season) So I really would like to see if any of you is usingthe Boost-by-gear and what kind of settings you are running.... Thanks |
I have not set up boost by gear, buy I have played around with the speedo function on my MS3x. One thing that I noticed was it always seemed to read 1 gear low until you got into the higher gearing. I have a 6 speed and 4.10 rear end, I usually start in 2nd so that may be what throws it off.
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What settings are you usig, mine is set to 4000pulses per mile snd working spot on.
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Originally Posted by shuiend
(Post 1172848)
I have not set up boost by gear, buy I have played around with the speedo function on my MS3x. One thing that I noticed was it always seemed to read 1 gear low until you got into the higher gearing. I have a 6 speed and 4.10 rear end, I usually start in 2nd so that may be what throws it off.
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Did you set up boost-by-TPS?
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Originally Posted by Ben
(Post 1172866)
You might want to try boost by speed instead.
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Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 1172885)
Did you set up boost-by-TPS?
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Getting back to this - what would a good boost target table for my 210 kPa max boost target look like?
I would like to see some of your tables, please, mine is surely set way too high on low TPS values. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1412597718 |
Originally Posted by Reverant
(Post 1172893)
Won't that increase the boost when he starts spinning the rear wheels? It would only work well with a front speed sensor.
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Originally Posted by Zaphod
(Post 1173263)
Getting back to this - what would a good boost target table for my 210 kPa max boost target look like?
I would like to see some of your tables, please, mine is surely set way too high on low TPS values. |
Originally Posted by Ben
(Post 1173276)
No one else has your exact setup, chassis, alignment, wheels/tires, etc. Start low and increase boost until wheelspin, then decrease it.
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Originally Posted by Zaphod
(Post 1173263)
Getting back to this - what would a good boost target table for my 210 kPa max boost target look like?
I would like to see some of your tables, please, mine is surely set way too high on low TPS values. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1412597718 The objective of your boost target vs RPM and TPS is to maximize DRIVEABILITY. You want the throttle to feel natural and progressive, not like a switch. What I do is run mechanical boost, then create a 3D graph of boost vs. TPS vs. RPM. What you will find is that for any given RPM, boost tends to flatten above a certain TPS. If I were to chart said TPS it may look like this: 3000: 25% 4000: 30% 5000: 40% 6000: 50% Something like that. And then if you plot max mechanical boost vs RPM, you may get: 3000: 6 psi 4000: 7 psi 5000: 8 psi 6000: 9 psi something like that. What I do then is take the above 2 plots and do this. Let's say full boost target is 15 psi. For 3000 RPM, max mech boost is 6 psi. It pretty much reaches 6 psi at 25% throttle. What you want is to linearly increase boost target, from 6 psi, to 15 psi, from 25% to around 95%. For 4000 RPM, max mech boost is 7 psi. It pretty much reaches 7 psi at 30% throttle. What you want is to linearly increase boost target, from 7 psi, to 15 psi, from 230 to around 95%. And so on. You get better driveability from a low-boost wastegate can than a high-boost one. This way your right foot sees maximum "resolution" - small throttle openings can more finely adjust boost pressure. |
@Jason- thanks for the very throughout answer. I think I will have to read it two more times to wrap my head around that setup process. (Not so easy in an foreign language☺)
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Zaphod, this is somewhat off point but you did mention it.
Just for your reference, going to a 225 tyre (semislick) from a 205 is a MASSIVE difference in traction. I would say it feels like a 75% improvement. My lap times dropped nearly 2 seconds from that change alone and the car felt like a totally different vehicle. I tried going back to the 205's a few race meetings later and it felt like it was a wet or icy day...I vowed to never drive my car on 205's again! Which was expensive as I had a good used set AND a brand new set waiting to be used..... |
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Here's my actual datalog of MAP vs TPS, (Y and X axes, respectively) at various RPMs (color) with my 5 psi wastegate can.
Looking at just the steep part and ignoring the slow climb of boost with RPM, MAP starts to flatten out between 25 and ~38% throttle depending on RPM. So my boost targets start at 125 kPa, and ramps to 200 kPa at 95% throttle (just below 100% throttle). The point where it starts at 125 kPa, depends on RPM. At low RPM, it starts at 25% throttle. At high, 40%. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1412783762 |
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Here is, what mine looks like from my last long log:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1412837351 |
I take it this is with your existing setting in post 8?
You get a step increase in boost at 20% throttle. That's terrible for driveability. Can you make a new log with EBC disabled? And can you make the dots bigger? The colors are hard to see on individual dots. |
Will do some log with wastegate only and try to get a better screenshot, though I don't know if I can make the dots bigger in MLV...
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I will be installing my electronic boost controller soon but in the mean time I turned on the gear detecting and from the logs I've checked it's pretty much spot on while driving.
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O.K. here are the new scatter plots:
Wastegate pressure only: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1413357330 And here is the EBC one with my changed boost target table: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1413357330 This is the new boost target table: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1413357330 @Jason: sorry, there is no way to change the size of the dots in MLV. |
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