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kung fu jesus 04-19-2007 12:35 AM

intereting tanks and options.
 
i was doing some design research today and found this.

i was particularly interested in these.

it would be pretty helpful for concealing a tank or putting one in a difficult area to access and refill.

MiataNuTca 04-19-2007 02:29 AM

Nice find! Do they have a price list? Still looking for a tank with a low level switch....kinda like how our brake fluid resevoir works.

y8s 04-19-2007 09:47 AM

you can get low-level switches from aquamist and other places (Devils Own or Coolingmist--I forget which). Drill and mount. two wires to run.

I think you'll have to call flambeau themselves up...

Braineack 04-19-2007 09:56 AM

what's his face was looking for a filler thing like that.

eunos1800 04-20-2007 03:15 AM

0.25L :o

Bit small, i'd have to pop out the car at every traffic light and fill it up.

I'm running a 8.5L water tank and find i have to fill it up about once a week.



Cheers
Mark

magnamx-5 04-20-2007 10:03 AM

once a week heck i filled up once a day, with my 6-7 liter tanks. You must not drive to hard

eunos1800 04-20-2007 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by magnamx-5 (Post 104508)
once a week heck i filled up once a day, with my 6-7 liter tanks. You must not drive to hard

I only do 10 miles a week :p

:)

magnamx-5 04-20-2007 10:13 AM

In 10 miles something must be way wrong with your setup. can you break it down for me. You should not use 8 liters in 10 miles. There is no way. you would have to be running a 12 gallon per hour nozzle at full steam. or 800 cc/min if you will.

eunos1800 04-20-2007 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by magnamx-5 (Post 104514)
In 10 miles something must be way wrong with your setup. can you break it down for me. You should not use 8 liters in 10 miles. There is no way. you would have to be running a 12 gallon per hour nozzle at full steam. or 800 cc/min if you will.

:beer:

magnamx-5 04-20-2007 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by eunos1800 (Post 104517)
:beer:

So spill it man what are you running. Something does not seem rigth here. this is akin to a 15 mpg miata, there is no way you are getting this much usage and having the kit perform the way it should.

eunos1800 04-20-2007 10:42 AM

i was being sarcastic, English humour sorry :)

eunos1800 04-20-2007 10:47 AM

I do between 300km- 500km a week and i get through about 8 Litres of water in that time.

I use distilled water, and it comes in 4 litre bottles so it's fairly easy to keep track.

Remember this is Athens though, so 3/4 of all journey time is in traffic jams.

magnamx-5 04-20-2007 11:01 AM

1 gph nozzle given standard pressure hmm you most definetly need more tunning.

rmcelwee 04-20-2007 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 104159)
what's his face was looking for a filler thing like that.


If you are meaning ME, I solved the problem and built a remote fill system:
http://www.lightweightmiata.com/wate...rinjection.htm

kung fu jesus 04-20-2007 08:46 PM

clever.

that page i linked has larger tanks, you have to click through some of the links.

Mouglie 04-21-2007 01:02 AM

i can build custom tanks for whatever space you need it, i do Fiberglass as a hobby... I drive an NA so name a spot and i can get started on a project... lol... well the only thing i can't build is the part with the lid just because thats a pain in the a$$

kung fu jesus 04-21-2007 01:17 AM

what about a tank that fits in the well of the trunk, in the center?

i wonder if one could be fit under the passenger's seat? (low center of gravity)

eunos1800 04-21-2007 02:41 AM


Originally Posted by magnamx-5 (Post 104535)
1 gph nozzle given standard pressure hmm you most definetly need more tunning.

I've got 2 jets, 0.3mm preSC and a 0.4mm on the dummy TB.

I've measured the flow at various duty cycles (HSV and EMU).


10% DC = 50ml/min
30% DC = 142ml/min
50% DC = 200ml/min

I've not physically measured the injectors, but they are rated at 430cc/min.
430cc x 4 = 1730cc/min at 100% DC
15% (water) = 260cc

I'm squirting a max of 60% DC (water) but gradually decreasing this level depending on my Injector DC.
I'm starting injecting fairly early compared to other WI systems i've seen as i'm starting at 1psi.
But as 15% is only 28ml/min of water i recon i'm alright.


I've tried various levels, but i feel as though i start losing a bit of throttle response at over 20% water.

This is my install:
http://mx5nutz.drmryan.co.uk/forum/i...46&hl=aquamist


Cheers
Mark

magnamx-5 04-21-2007 08:14 AM

1 psi is to low you dont need WI for 3-4 psi start higher and you wont be quenching the exhaust as bad. Also why not go 100% DC that is what i run it works. The Variable dealy you use should not be effected by this.

Mouglie 04-22-2007 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by kung fu jesus (Post 104810)
what about a tank that fits in the well of the trunk, in the center?

i wonder if one could be fit under the passenger's seat? (low center of gravity)

i think the trunk idea would work nice... can you make me a sketch as to where the fittings would go and what the top of it would look and i'll make a DIY guide on it...

Braineack 04-22-2007 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by rmcelwee (Post 104659)
If you are meaning ME, I solved the problem and built a remote fill system:
http://www.lightweightmiata.com/wate...rinjection.htm


yeah, having a brain fart at the time, couldn't remember who exactly.


love the kPa conversion chart :P

eunos1800 04-22-2007 04:39 PM

Just a bit of advice, i played around with a few shaped tanks before settling on me current one.

I tried various used liquid containers in various shapes and sizes, i found that long flattish containers like a 2L drinks/water bottle when stored on its side would run dry on most corners.
The water seems to slosh around too much.

So if you go for a flatish design, like would be needed to fit in the flat tire well in the boot, you'll need some sort of foam to stop the water sloshing about.


Cheers
Mark

kung fu jesus 04-22-2007 04:49 PM

agreed. baffling would help immmensly.


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