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Old Aug 8, 2018 | 09:54 AM
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Default Testing Waters: Supertech SUB + Shims and Tomei VVT cams

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This is on pause, I may try to run this and document for science



Some stuff came up and I'm unsure if I am ready to tackle the dark arts of Piston - Valve clearances with a cam phaser. No shops in the area will touch this project, and aside from mailing my motor out to have it checked to find the intake cam sweep before interference, I am at a point where budget for other repairs and timelines are now in the mix.

I have a set of new (installed but never run) Supertech cam followers, BP6D Tomei Cams, and an assortment of shims. I'm not looking to lose a ton on these since they are for a pretty targeted audience, but I will shave off some cost since hands have been on them. I can forward the receipts for all these as desired. Again, I'm just exploring my options since now I'm looking at a motor rebuild and some body work.

What is being sold:
Supertech Cam Followers
Supertech lash caps
Tomei BP6D VVT Intake Cam
Tomei NB Exhaust Cam

Asking $1500 shipped

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Old Aug 8, 2018 | 09:56 AM
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Also....After the new head is installed, the current head would be available with +1 O/S valves and supertech double valvetrain. It just needs to be inspected and things replaced as needed as i'm getting poor leakdown in cylinder 2
Old Aug 8, 2018 | 10:12 AM
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Thats a deal for some wicked parts. Hopefully someone snags these up. Wish i was in a position i could right now
Old Aug 8, 2018 | 09:31 PM
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I'd be interested in just the cams if you are willing to separate the items.
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I am hoping you keep them.
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Still considering. Just testing waters for now. Throwing in stock cams is the easy button cause I can just slap the head on and go.

But I can always try the clay bit. It's just figuring out what angle will become new max when advancing intake.

Gotta do more research on minimum clearances.


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Would also be interested in cams only. What angle are you referencing? The vvt angles?

edit, just realized you might mean the max angle that clears the pistons.
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it is very unlikely you will have an issue considering the compression.
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Would also be interested in cams only. What angle are you referencing? The vvt angles?

edit, just realized you might mean the max angle that clears the pistons.
Yea, when VVT sweeps/advances.

Time to buy modeling clay
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My gut is in the same place as m2f. These engines are non-interference in stock form. So at full stock lift, TDC, there is clearance. The cams add what, a mm of lift and a little duration? Even at 50 deg BTDC advance, is there an issue?

I am very much in the pre-school stage of my CAM stuffs education, but have started my research, as this is probably the next logical upgrade for me.
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Originally Posted by Ted75zcar
My gut is in the same place as m2f. These engines are non-interference in stock form. So at full stock lift, TDC, there is clearance. The cams add what, a mm of lift and a little duration? Even at 50 deg BTDC advance, is there an issue?

I am very much in the pre-school stage of my CAM stuffs education, but have started my research, as this is probably the next logical upgrade for me.
Not all VVT motors are non-interference in stock form. The intake valves hit the piston on the cylinder #4 on my 2001.
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I also thought there where some cases of exhaust valve interference on BP4/6 engines. But I don't want to fuel conjecture without finding links of the actual cases. I'm at work so that's information to be researched later
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I do not think there will be interference issues. The difference in lift at the point that the piston is closest to the valve will be a lot less than total lift differences.

If if you are serious about selling I'm serious about buying.
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Can anyone spat off the minimum clearances for piston-valve on both intake and exhaust? (Otherwise I'll dig at the end of the day)
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Originally Posted by Davezorz
Not all VVT motors are non-interference in stock form. The intake valves hit the piston on the cylinder #4 on my 2001.
was this a decked/shaved setup? Something doesn't make sense for me here. How did you determine that the valve hit the piston?
Old Aug 9, 2018 | 09:30 AM
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I'd be interested in why it only interfered on one cylinder.
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Originally Posted by psyber_0ptix
Still considering. Just testing waters for now. Throwing in stock cams is the easy button cause I can just slap the head on and go.

But I can always try the clay bit. It's just figuring out what angle will become new max when advancing intake.

Gotta do more research on minimum clearances.


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Easy mode: trade me your cams for my stock ones plus cash

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Testing Waters: Supertech SUB + Shims and Tomei VVT cams-photo953.jpg
Old Aug 9, 2018 | 12:34 PM
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Thanks AA-Ron That's pretty close then to the specs listed for the cam except the exaust side is a bit tighter.
What I find interesting are the installation notes. Aside from SUB conversion requirements, it says no modification to VVT [angle] adjustment and even the ECU


que??


I might keep these and just document the process and impeding carnage for science since it's hard to find any build data on this setup. Much like the EFR7163; I still haven't seen a completed #sendit dyno run on a miata. It would be sad if these cams where a hot mess for the cost. But meh, new iteration. Smurfette v3.0
Old Aug 9, 2018 | 12:37 PM
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is your head shaved? If so, are you taking up the shave difference in the head gasket or running a factory one?

How I read their brochure: If its a factory engine they will "just work". No interference, no aftermarket ECU needed.
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As far as I know, this is the first time the head has been resurfaced. It was pulled from a stock motor and completely stripped, pnp'd, new valve seats, guides, SUB conversion and valve train. Only reason I got these cams was because it was impossible to find shims or rather, there was no clearance with the stock 36mm cam base circles. I wasn't comfy with tipping the valves if they where nitride coated and there was a host of other issues with Supertech quality control that just made this the easy button.

I forgot that there were thicker head gaskets out there, but that also affects the squish



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