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Old 06-20-2008, 02:23 AM   #1
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In a couple of months I should be able to purchase a complete kit. I was going to try and out something together until I found out I might have some cash coming in. The Flying Miata kit seem great, and If I had a 94 I would already be sold, but I don't. I have a 92. I will have to upgrade my clutch, radiator, and rear end, or at least I was told I would have too. The Flying Miata 2 kit is almost $1000.00 more than the BEGI S5. Is it worth it, my goal is to build a car that will handle and out accelerate a C5 and maybe even an 03 Z06 on a road course. Except for cooling, the clutch and rear end, the Flying Miata kit seems like everything I need, even including a pretuned standalone ECM.

If I went with the BEGI S5, I think I might go with the MSPnP, but I'm reading that some are having difficult getting cars tuned with the MS. An suggestions, I want to to get my car in the 200 to 250 hp range. It will see around 400 miles a week, it not my only car, but it will be my daily driver, and weekend fun car.

Is their another option?
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Pick your poison, either will get the job done. Search there is plenty of opinion around here on both vendors.

I'd suggest comparing kits with out ECU, the Hydra is significantly more expensive than the MSPNP. You'll have to decide if it is worth it or not.
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No one has a hard time getting MS tuned, regardless of what you've heard, you just have to look and should consider tuning it yourself while the shop just works the dyno for you. The s3 kit will get you 250whp just fine. Read the turbo FAQ. Since you're a newb, I'll clue you in on something...there's a childish FM vs. BEGi war going on, and its totally stupid and everyone is tired of hearing it. You can play this game on miata.net all day long and watch everyone kiss each other's ***, then fight, then ****.

You can take a quick look through everyone's signatures here and tell which company most of us buy turbo parts from.

250whp with excellent suspension can go round and round with a c5z.

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I called Flying Miata this week, and I was really happy with how the conversation went. I tried to find a number for BEGI, and couldn't. I wanted to go with the MSPNP anyway, and I like a few of the things in the BEGI S4 and S5 kits, but the Flying Miata kit 2 seemed pretty much ready to go out of the box. FM said they include base maps, and limited custom maps are even available, so i could basically install the kit and drive a way.

I have time, so I will continue researching, I was just wanted to get an idea from people with more experience than myself. It seems like alot of this might have been easier if I would have purchased a 94 or newer car. (In regards to rear end issues)

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No one has a hard time getting MS tuned, regardless of what you've heard, you just have to look and should consider tuning it yourself while the shop just works the dyno for you. The s3 kit will get you 250whp just fine. Read the turbo FAQ. You should probably call each company and ask them what they're going to do if you call them up in 2 years asking for a replacement manifold, or reliability questions in general. One will definitely provide a complimentary replacement, the other "might."

250whp with excellent suspension can go round and round with a c5z.
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There is no such thing as a pre-tuned standalone ECU. You have a lot of homework to do.
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It seems like alot of this might have been easier if I would have purchased a 94 or newer car. (In regards to rear end issues)
The first time i did a diff it took me 2 hours, if i were to do it again on a miata i wouldn't hesitate to say i could do it under an hour.
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As far as tuning a few things to consider. Can you tune yourself or will you be using a tuner? If you plan to have someone else do it you need to consider that when selecting your turning options. Some shops tend not to want to tune stuff they are not familiar with. If you can do it yourself, shouldn't matter much. If you are trying to do things yourself and you're not comfortable with tuning, it is good to be able to get an ECU with maps already loaded for you application like with the FM option. No, it won't be a perfect tune, but it is usually good enough to get you up and running decent with minimal hassle. Like someone else said, you will likely get a lot of strong opinions on the two options shortly and this will likely end up in a pissing match. I have both companies products on my MSM. My only input is my FM products always fit and work as advertised, and they have proven to have very good support. That's not to say that BEGI doesn't, a lot of folks on this site and others are very happy with BEGI products and support.
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In a couple of months I should be able to purchase a complete kit. I was going to try and out something together until I found out I might have some cash coming in. The Flying Miata kit seem great, and If I had a 94 I would already be sold, but I don't. I have a 92. I will have to upgrade my clutch, radiator, and rear end, or at least I was told I would have too. The Flying Miata 2 kit is almost $1000.00 more than the BEGI S5. Is it worth it, my goal is to build a car that will handle and out accelerate a C5 and maybe even an 03 Z06 on a road course. Except for cooling, the clutch and rear end, the Flying Miata kit seems like everything I need, even including a pretuned standalone ECM.

If I went with the BEGI S5, I think I might go with the MSPnP, but I'm reading that some are having difficult getting cars tuned with the MS. An suggestions, I want to to get my car in the 200 to 250 hp range. It will see around 400 miles a week, it not my only car, but it will be my daily driver, and weekend fun car.

Is their another option?
I have talked to both companies and they both are great. Either will answer questions even when you are not buying from them. Begi seems to be a little more cost effective. But as far as the fuel management goes, Clueless here. I bought MSpnp cause it was $700 VS $2000.

Check with your local shops for tunning. I only found one shop that is familar, and one shop that is willing to learn on my $$ time. I said screw it and started tuning myself. I have only tuned for 2 hrs and am getting the drift of it. I plan to try to work the bugs out, bolt the turbo up, and just carry it to the shop to tune with turbo. Sometimes an extra $200 is worth not hurting something. Lol
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Sorry, no matter what kit you get, 200whp will not eat vettes.
Second, what is your budget? You have yet to share that.
What will you do with your suspension.
Sorry if we all come across as dicks, that's because we are dicks to all people who fail to list their location and a sig telling a bit about what you have...it's bacis etquiette here. We will not spoon feed you.
FM and BEGi are both great companies, hell they used to work closely together for a while. I am partial to my ways and wouldn't buy a kit from either company because I'm a cheap bastard and will spend more money doing it my way while thinking I am saving money.
Can ya tell i'm cranky, TGIF ************!!!

but do go with the MS, pnp or diy, there are plenty of maps available out there, someone will have something close to what you have and will be willing to share to get you started, providing you are still here at that time.
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Sorry, no matter what kit you get, 200whp will not eat vettes.
It will on a roadcourse

I beat up on vettes/m3s/stis/evos with a 190+ whp... Civic
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That being said... definitely check with your local tuner that you TRUST on what they are willing to tune.

I'm pretty biased on solutions, but if ever buying a system from anyone... it would be BEGI's kits and a MS ecu. More bang for the buck and Begi can (and is willing to) alter/mod anything I want during the project/planning.
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I tried to find a number for BEGI, and couldn't.
i know sometimes it's hard to load up a company's website and look on the front page.
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i know sometimes it's hard to load up a company's website and look on the front page.
Be nice... it took me 10 seconds at least....
Begi - 830-438-2890 (from the front page )
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First, if you are really serious about wanting to eat Corvettes for breakfast, I strongly suggest you check out This Thread and chat with the original poster.

In terms of the two vendors, I think everyone's pretty well covered it, but I'll throw in my +1. Although certain aspects of their design differs (cast DP vs. mandrel-bent, for example) both kits are actually going to be very similar in terms of performance, the offer basically the same selection of turbii, and both companies have a reputation in these parts are being pretty stellar both in terms of the quality of their stuff and their support in the Miata community.

Comparing ECUs, on the other hand, gets messy fast.

Both the Hydra and the MSPNP will probably go in and start up with approximately equal ease. They both come with pre-loaded basemaps, they both have pretty good support, and they're both fairly complex to learn. I expect that, in terms of the quality of the basemaps, the Hydra may be somewhat closer to a true plug-n-play, simply because FM has had the chance to optimize the maps for one specific turbo kit (well, several very similar turbo kits) however even at that there are far too many variables from one car to the next, and even from one FM turbo kit to the next, to call it a true install-and-forget ECU. They've got at least three different turbos on offer (2554, 2560, and 3071) and these are all going to tune differently. I'm not dissing the Hydra, only saying that it's going to need fine-tuning just like the MSPNP.

Otherwise, the two seem pretty evenly matched in terms of their capability. The MS, in its current incarnation, will not do full sequential injection (only two injector channels, just like a stock 1.6) however this is really more of an emissions concern than a true performance matter. They both do all the important stuff like AFR autotune, knock logging and retard, boost control, etc. They're both supported by vendors who have a strong presence here and in the Miata community at large, and they will both support pretty much any power level you could expect out of a Miata engine. One just costs a lot less than the other.

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Check with your local shops for tunning. I only found one shop that is familar, and one shop that is willing to learn on my $$ time.
I worked out a deal with exatorq, and I'm going to tune mine there while he works the dyno.
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I wonder if this thread will lead to a lockup.... Savington... o Savington... where for art thou?
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both companies will come into your house, and disrespect your famiry.
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Captain Kirk ate my famiry!!!
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flyin miata produced the soap used at Auschwitz gas chambers.
BEGi wrote Sophi's Choice.
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flyin miata produced the soap used at Auschwitz gas chambers.
BEGi wrote Sophi's Choice.
If I was that "kind of person" i'd feel this was sig worthy.
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