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Old 02-26-2017, 09:28 PM
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Hey guys. I'm new to the forum, and just thought after I did some searching I would get a few things cleared up. I plan on purchasing the FM II turbo kit. I don't have ANY experience with turbos or tuning, so bear with me. From what I've searched, the FM II turbo kit can be optioned out to get rid of the electronics. With that said, I would option in the 550cc injectors, GT2560R turbo, install a 2.5 inch exhaust from Enthuza, and then purchase a megasquirt for the engine management. With the proper tune, would I be able to safely run around 8psi to 10psi and produce 200 - 230rwhp with a setup similar to this?
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You can use the Megasquirt with the Voodoo kit. You basically remove everything electrical that you will add with the Voodoo kit and install the Megasquirt. Everything mechanical stays. The better way to do things is the get the Megasquirt now, and learn to tune it while naturally aspirated. Then get a FMII no electronics kit down the road after you get the hang of tuning.
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Originally Posted by acedeuce802 View Post
You can use the Megasquirt with the Voodoo kit. You basically remove everything electrical that you will add with the Voodoo kit and install the Megasquirt. Everything mechanical stays. The better way to do things is the get the Megasquirt now, and learn to tune it while naturally aspirated. Then get a FMII no electronics kit down the road after you get the hang of tuning.
Ahhh thank you! So I can use the megasquirt on a naturally aspirated car? I wasn't aware of that. What kind of tuning can be done on a N/A car?


Now that I think about it, maybe I will piece together my own turbo setup. From searching some more, apparently its very possible to piece together your own turbo setup for much less money than these complete kits. If thats the case, what exactly would I need to piece together my own? I would say that an ideal budget would be around $2.5k to $3k for the turbo setup (not including clutch or radiator).

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Careful, you're about to upset some people.
Nobody is going to be able (or be willing) to tell you exactly what to buy for your particular setup.
I wouldn't say it's possible to do it much more cheaply than a kit unless you really know what you are doing.
In the interest of our time and yours, please spend a lot of time reading on this forum and looking at build threads (there are many) before asking questions that have been answered over and over (for free).
This will not only help keep the forum uncluttered, it will help you learn much more about your car and how to do things properly.
The best way to search the forum is to use goodle. Type in miataturbo.net followed by whatever it is you are looking for.
For instance, you might start with miataturbo.net banhammer.
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scratch the 550's and go FlowForce 650. much better injector.
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To max out a stock motor between 220-240whp on the NA/NB miata plan on spending between $3000-$4000 by the time it is all said and done.

Follow these 5 steps to properly and reliably boost your miata.

1. ECU and wideband. Megasquirt is the standard, but other standalone will work. Budget between $800-$2000. Install it in your stock car and learn to tune.
2. Larger injectors. Flow Force are the ones you want to buy. Budget $300 for them. Retune after installing them.
3. Stronger clutch. FM/ACT/949Racing are the only clutches you should be looking at. Budget between $300-$500.
4. Figure out your IC fitment and piping. Doing this before the turbo hardware makes the actual turbo install later much easier. Budget between $250-500.
5. Install quality turbo hardware. TSE/MKTurbo/FM/Artech/Begi. Any of those brands provide quality hardware at various costs and options. Plan on spending between $1500-$5000 on all this.
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What Lars said!^

I got my MS and Wideband a year early, tuned the car and was quicker on track than stock NC's. I did make more power and saw the results of my tuning without having to worry about boost.
The approach Lars is suggesting is nice because you're not changing everything at once.
If you put on 1 thing at a time, then if failure occurs, you'll know where it's coming from. No guessing game.
I suggest you go and read the megasquirt thread on this forum. I did this and at the beginning, I didn't understand what was being said or what was going on. You can download the free version of tunerstudio and play with the software.
By seeing the frequently asked questions by noobs, and how people were problem solving(using datalogs and such) I was much more prepared when I installed my megasquirt.

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Thank you very much guys! I'll go and read some more and see if I have any other questions. As for boosting, I keep going back and forth on my choices; now I'm thinking the FM Voodoo II that makes around 185-200rwhp (claim by FM) would be ideal for me. I'm guessing with a 2.5" exhaust and better injectors I can get in the ballpark of 220rwhp with the Voodoo II. I want something that will give me an extra bit of power, but still keep similar engine reliability as my N/A miata, and I think the Voodoo II may be the ticket.
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Originally Posted by Orinawak View Post
Thank you very much guys! I'll go and read some more and see if I have any other questions. As for boosting, I keep going back and forth on my choices; now I'm thinking the FM Voodoo II that makes around 185-200rwhp (claim by FM) would be ideal for me. I'm guessing with a 2.5" exhaust and better injectors I can get in the ballpark of 220rwhp with the Voodoo II. I want something that will give me an extra bit of power, but still keep similar engine reliability as my N/A miata, and I think the Voodoo II may be the ticket.
You won't get those numbers with a VoodooII. The limiting factor is the voodoo box for fuel, and whatever they use for spark. They use stock injectors and those tend to max out around 180whp.
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If you want proven reliability, then FM is the way to go. If you want simplicity and affordability, then go with MKturbo.
The difference is FM costs more and spoonfeeds you all the parts you'll need.
MKTurbo gives you the big hardware pieces, and you need to assemble the rest(injectors, fuel management, piping, blow-off etc...)

I went with a no electronics kit and GT2560R. Running an MS2Enhanced and Deatschwerks 700CC injectors.
Do your reading, check what parts fit your needs, what your budget is....

You can only have 2 out of the three, reliable, fast or cheap.
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I helped a friend install a FMII Hydra Nemesis a couple weeks back. If you are willing to spend the money it's a really nice kit. I personally dislike the Hydra though but that may have more to do with me being more comfortable with Megasquirt than Hydra.

I don't recommend the "band aids" like the Voodoo II. Go Hydra, Megasquirt, or other full featured ECU.
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Get it running on a MS. Then get the MK Turbo setup. Shuiend gave you a perfect road map. Listen to experience.
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Thanks everyone! I'm going to go with what you guys said in here and probably get the megasquirt, learn it, then get the FM without electronics or the MKTurbo.
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Originally Posted by shuiend View Post
To max out a stock motor between 220-240whp on the NA/NB miata plan on spending between $3000-$4000 by the time it is all said and done.

Follow these 5 steps to properly and reliably boost your miata.

1. ECU and wideband. Megasquirt is the standard, but other standalone will work. Budget between $800-$2000. Install it in your stock car and learn to tune.
2. Larger injectors. Flow Force are the ones you want to buy. Budget $300 for them. Retune after installing them.
3. Stronger clutch. FM/ACT/949Racing are the only clutches you should be looking at. Budget between $300-$500.
4. Figure out your IC fitment and piping. Doing this before the turbo hardware makes the actual turbo install later much easier. Budget between $250-500.
5. Install quality turbo hardware. TSE/MKTurbo/FM/Artech/Begi. Any of those brands provide quality hardware at various costs and options. Plan on spending between $1500-$5000 on all this.
This should be a sticky
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MiataMan00,
Curious as to why you crossed out Begi?

We are going Trackspeed, so it doesn't matter so much to our application, but I am curious as to your thoughts.
Pm me if discussions like that are taboo.
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From one noob to another- you seriously need to read and research. Everything you're asking has been answered here. It will be overwhelming, you won't absorb it all at once.

That said- people love to tell you to read, but don't usually tell you where to start. I will.

- Go to Meet and Greet, read the stickied noob thread. Twice. I see that you've created a thread there- good start. The thread is... lacking. Post pictures of the car, your goals, some info about yourself, etc. This forum is full of great guys that are super-smart, and sometimes act like ******** when they're pestered for dumb stuff. Stay on the right side of them and do things the right way, they'll bend over backwards for you when you really need it. At least some of them.
- Go to the other forums, and read the other stickied threads. All of them.
- Go to the Builds section. Find guys that are starting with a similar car to yours, and devour what's there.
- Learn to be a search ninja, and search exhaustively before posting any questions.

shuiend gave you the best advice you'll ever get. Put in a WBO2 and AFR gauge, get an MS3X and learn to tune (or buy the PNP2 that I foolishly bought so I can upgrade to MS3X), then get the FF640 injectors and tune for them. Don't even waste time thinking about what turbo setup you're going to use until you've completed this. You don't know enough to make those decisions yet.

I've been at this for 6 months. I've completed a million supporting mods and acquired a MS and injectors, still haven't installed it. This is a journey, but a well-traveled one.

Good luck!
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MiataMan00,
Curious as to why you crossed out Begi?

We are going Trackspeed, so it doesn't matter so much to our application, but I am curious as to your thoughts.
Pm me if discussions like that are taboo.
Its pretty simple really. They have terrible costumer service. They take forever to return phone calls/emails, and take forever to ship items. And offer a mediocre product. I have never had first hand experience with them because I have avoided them at all costs. EO2K can chime in if he sees this.

TSE is the way to go. Its what I have.
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Thanks MiataMan00

I have a master build sheet for the car that is now pages of hard parts and details...The vast majority of the hard parts will come from Trackspeed or 949.
Every interaction from both has been straight forward and on point....Zero BS!
I couldn't be happier.

I would prefer to buy a complete long block from Trackspeed, but by the time it gets here it will cost well over double what you would pay for it in the lower 48....
It just gets painful for my kid who is working day and night to make this happen.
I have a pro builder here, that has given me perfection every time....Still I am thinking I want somebody that speaks BP to work and build the head...The kid may have to take that bullet

Cheers,

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Originally Posted by nbfather View Post
Thanks MiataMan00

I have a master build sheet for the car that is now pages of hard parts and details...The vast majority of the hard parts will come from Trackspeed or 949.
Every interaction from both has been straight forward and on point....Zero BS!
I couldn't be happier.

I would prefer to buy a complete long block from Trackspeed, but by the time it gets here it will cost well over double what you would pay for it in the lower 48....
It just gets painful for my kid who is working day and night to make this happen.
I have a pro builder here, that has given me perfection every time....Still I am thinking I want somebody that speaks BP to work and build the head...The kid may have to take that bullet

Cheers,

Jamie
I don't know CDN law, but I have heard of people shipping US products to a place close to the border (or in your case across the straight) and picking it up to bring home themselves to save a good bit of money. I'm not Canadian, and I don't know anything about bringing stuff from the US, but that could be an option.
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Originally Posted by dleavitt View Post
I don't know CDN law, but I have heard of people shipping US products to a place close to the border (or in your case across the straight) and picking it up to bring home themselves to save a good bit of money. I'm not Canadian, and I don't know anything about bringing stuff from the US, but that could be an option.
I have done this with several of my customers. So far none of them have had issues with it.
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