JUST ORDERED VOODOO 2 KIT AND EXTRAS
 

so i'm new here on the forum ive been on miata.net for a while, i scope around here alot though. so i just ordered a voodoo 2 kit for my 94 miata
i have 53k miles compression test came out perfect, ordered a wideband, turbo fuse and msd ignition retard box with it, im pretty confident in my ability to install it with some buddys, any tipical issues you guys know about or anything i should look out for someone has run into with the FM voodoo 2 kits or usual turbo install? never installed a turbo before but been working on cars for a while so any help or input would be great, thanks guys.

You must not "scope around here" enough, otherwise you wouldnt have wasted your money on that voodoo box, "turbo fuse" and MSD box.
Megasquirt does all of those things way better and for less money.

Since you already ordered that junk I guess you can go ahead and get it running like that, but just plan on investing in some injectors and megasquirt eventually. The sooner the better.

i know it does but i dont know how to tune... i have to have a car for a daily driver voodoo and msd is easy to install and get running i dont have a laptop to run software for MS with or i would, im not trying to build a racecare, just get myself boosted and situated and see how it all works before i drop 2k more on software and an ecu

So because you don't want to take the time to learn the very easy skill of tuning a megasquirt, you justify getting an ecu that does less for more money?

Where did you get the 2k number from? Megasquirt is 500-800 bucks depending on model, and the software is 40 bucks registered, 150 for a good wideband. Me thinks you should read more, spend less. Don't be in a hurry to boost, and don't be afraid to learn it. It's easy, I assure you it can be done without blowing up your car.

And what was that saying again, something about fuckest thou not with thine daily driver when thou havest not a spare?

2k was an estimate, im sure its easy but id rather get it running first, i can just sell the voodoo and msd later make back a little money and upgrade when ready, i dont plan on injectors im sure ill get power hungry like everyone says and wanna go faster but for now i think ill be content with 6-8psi

and about that daily driver thing... ive never heard that before, but nothing thrills me more than the adrenaline rush of am i going to walk or drive to work the next day

If you like throwing money away and buying everything twice, sure.
Then you're a fool and going to blow your shit up.

Yeah, everyone says that. It's never true.
:burncash:

Also, please learn to use capitalization. It's really not hard.

If buying things twice means learning how it works bc ive never done it before and safely modifying my vehicle then yes I don't mind im not gonna buy a ms next month it would happen over time...

Stock injectors are fine for 6-8 psi anyway for daily driving if I need to upgrade for future impeovements I will

HERE ARE YOUR CAPS LOL

Stock injectors at 8psi and band aid engine management is a very very good recipe for disaster

So ill run 6psi thats what a wideband is for tune it rich in the summer so winter time it still runs safe, over time ill invest in ms and a windows laptop for car tuning, anyways like the original post asked does anyone have any install tips or triicks or should I brace for more voodoo bashing

No, you should run 0psi, learn how to tune your car and then turbo.

My god, I nearly pulled my hair out doing it all at once. Nothing beats frantically looking for a fucked up CAS wire and oil leaks at the same time.

There is no tips or tricks. You install the kit per directions. Its not rocket science.
You can do whatever mods you wish, we just feel obligated to warn you of bad choices, should you wish to ignore the advice that's fine, later we'll tell you we told you so.

This is MT. Not M
We're not gonna whisper sweet nothings into your ear then watch you make bad decisions lol

*edit: 6psi might work if you wanna do things twice. good luck

Yeah I know you guys are tough, I know voodoo isn't ideal but I feel like running low psi and just getting the kit instslled and running is a good start, later on ill buy megasquirt, that way I have something to go back to if I can't get my car running in one or two days , I like to think conservative or safe it sounds dumb doesnt make sense, costs more but its my way of learning I figured the instructions were step by step but I didn't know of any special tools came in handy, figured it was pretty much all bolt on and hoses.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1373948683


lol out loud.

laugh out loud out loud.....interesting

It just seemed appropriate for the thread.

Even though fm says the voodoo is good for 8psi why are you guys bashing that? Just wondering

Vendors say a ton of things. Then when you have to rebuild your motor cause you were running it at 12.5:1 afr in boost or an injector went static they can sell you more parts.

its win win for them

It cost more and does less. Flyin Miata does great stuff, has great products, and I love to throw money at Keith.

But Megasquirt is easier, does more, is cheaper, better documented, everyone uses it, blah blah blah...

Spend the less monies and get a fully capable standalone that's good for ALLOFIT boost levels. Wow winning!

I didn't think 12to1 was bad at low boost?

After the first few posts I stopped reading.

MS and tune FIRST. It's not hard at all on a stock engine.

THEN TURBO once you know wtf you are doing.

"Hey guys, I'm just here for some advice"

Don't run the voodoo, if you want to learn get a MS and tune.

"I don't want to tune, I'm just going to do it my way"

Then why the fuck did you even create this thread? If you don't want our advice, then GTFO. Or do you just want us to rub your dick and tell you it's the biggest we've seen?

This one's not even interesting, just ban him already.

V's being nice, Steve is being the dick....
What's going on here??


Just to flame the fire a little.

OP: These people are telling you these things because we've been there / done that. We know what works. We've been doing it for years, some more than others. If we tell you one thing, it's not because you're wrong but because our way is better(and usually more affordable).

BTW, from what i've read from you it was "i've never installed a turbo before but i'm looking to try it" (great, we've all been there and that's why we're here now to help). BUT, you also said "i don't know how to tune, and really don't care much to learn". (well what the frig is it?)
Do you want to learn or not. If not, keep on m.net. If you want to learn something, listen to what people around here have to say.

Megasquirt has an autotune feature through the TunerStudio program, but you knew that because you did lots of reading over here already.

I really don't like when people say they have done research and reached a conclusion that only someone who has not done much research could reach. MS comes with a base tune. Your car will run on this. There is an autotune feature for fine tuning VE. Minor adjustments to idle parameters are all that are usually required unless you want to dig deeper. Some people (probably most) don't ever touch the base spark table.

I'll spoon feed you, Nancy:
https://www.miataturbo.net/ms-labs-m...ms-labs-69930/

I was aware of auto tune I wasnt sure how it worked, I can still change my order it hasnt shipped yet, the basr tune on ms is for a stock na miata correct? That won't work with a turbo set up, excuse myself I dotn know much but im guessing you do autotune and drive around amd let it tune itself from the base map it comes with? Does ir literally plug into the factory harness and play people talk abiut re arranging pins ms2 and ms3 im sure are different I wouldn't know which one to get , I have macbook which im pretty sure wont work with ms software so id have to get a windows to run the software too, this is what kept me from.ms I wanna learn to tune but I wanna make sure I know what im getting into, so yyou guys csn tell me how it works would be cool without dildo pics or giant cucumbers...

All the mspnp units are completely plug and play. Hence PNP

Almost everything you just typed is wrong, and shows how little reading you have actually done.

But there is hope yet. When I joined I wanted a FFS supercharger because I thought turbos were too laggy. But I started reading instead of bitching, and I learned.

FFS tunerstudio works on LINUX, of course it will fucking work on your macbook. THERE'S A GODDAMN MAC VERSION TO DOWNLOAD!

STFU and start reading if you want to learn. Buy your doodoo box and go back to m.net if you don't.

Don't get an MSPNP, get a MS3 Basic from Reverent. You tell him what injectors you will be using and a few details about your setup and he sends it to you with a basemap to match already loaded on it.

Im on diyautotune lookinh at megasquirt pnp gen2, this looks simple enough

How much does reverent charge for ms3?

That time of month.

Also this weekend I got to drive my little bro's GTI with intake, downpipe, cat & resonator delete and 'stage 2' tune (whatever that means, supposedly ~280tq/240hp). Doing so reminded me how much I miss boost.

When I ordered my megasquirt it was marginally more for a MS3 from Reverant than a MS2 from DIY. The downfall is Reverant's are built to order (or they were a several months ago) so there's a wait involved, PM him and he'll send you prices and ETA. I went with DIY because I was impatient, either one will meet your needs.

Glad to see your warming up to our suggestions. You really can't go wrong with all the megasquirt offers at it's pricepoint. Get the stock car up and running on the megasquirt and play around with tuning it. Once you get it figured out then bolt the turbo up. It'll make the turbo process much simpler. And should you choose, give you a very simple/cheap path to well past 200whp.

My friend has a gti with the stage 2 tune, they base the "stage" off of modification like a cold air intske and exhaust would be stage one, with a new downpipe they can tune it differently for "stage 2" and etc...hes close to 300 whp in his

Looking at how to install it I unplug the stock ecu, plug in megasquirt, run the vacuum hose from the intake manifold to the megasquirt and then im done (I csn optionally change from MAF to a sensor correct?

IF what I said is correct I would rather have the pnpms2 I csn order it change my fm voodoo to a fm2 without electronics and save 200 dollars total, so theres no special things I will need right? The pnpms2 comes complete to install? Just download a good base map to start it up

While it is possible to tune the MS with the MAF, you are better off getting rid of it since it will become a huge restriction once you add boost. It's not the optimal place for the AIT sensor, but when I install mine I plan on removing the MAF and replacing it with a piece of silicon plumbed for the IAT. Once you go turbo you will want the IAT on the cold side of the IC to prevent heatsoak.

If I buy ms pnp 2 will that be everything I need sensors and all? Or do I have to buy that all separate

OMFG read noob. We wrote this shit down so we don't have to type it out every goddamn time someone joins the site.


I tried holding your hand for some things, now I see that was a mistake, as you now think all your questions will be answered by hand holders. That's what I get for trying to be a nice guy.

No good deed goes unpunished.

Asks dumb question, braces for dildo pics.... lol

don't you just love this place? :party:

Now look who has wadded panties.

Whether you use bandaids or the Megasquirt you will also need a wideband O2 sensor/controller like the Innovate LC-1 (can be purchased online from multiple sources).

Guyz plz halp my turbo wants because ms2 pnp ms for my car but my firindz srt ewas boosted like tons of psi but with good four my turbo the pnp.

after watching Ryan attempt to hook up and set up his LC1 I'd never go through that pain honestly.

MTX-L or AEM for the win

I have an aem wideband on the way with my turbo shtuff

Should have gotten the MTX-L, the AEM is painful to tune with.

Plus one on the mtx-l. Easy to install and calibrate.

Whats painful about it?

^Explain?

The GM AIT (intake temp sensor) is an option on some kits, you want that so you can get rid of your maf. The AIT has 2 wires, you stick them in the plug where you maf is connected, there should be instructions when you get it.

Beyond that you unplug the stock ECU, plug in the PNP. Run the vacuum line from the intake manifold to the PNP. Connect your wideband output (white on AEM?) to the wideband input on the megasquirt.

You'll "create a new project" in Tunerstudio, set up your car, detect the ECU, select your wideband. Set timing to 10 degrees, adjust timing on the motor to match 10 degrees. Reset timing back to use the table and drive the car.

Ok thsts what I was reading then they started throwing sensors out in the installation and I didn't see them in the "whats included" part

waiting like 10-15 seconds for this stupid thing to heat up is what's really painful

makes tuning startup and cold idle so much fun

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1374018072


I used to have this problem. Then i made a toggle switch that changes from on/off using the acc to on all the time or off all the time.

Never had any issues here.

Yeah I'm not making a whole switch for this stupid thing, but I guess I'll wire it to constant current when tuning startup

Fm neglets to tell u that they are running 8 psi at 13afr.

Excuse my unknowlwdgeable skills but isnt that good? I know you wanna run a little bit rich with more boost but what is wrong with 8psi at 13afr? Or is that unattainable with a voodoo box

I'd hate to sound like an asshole but are you really planning on turboing your car with how little you know or are you planning on replacing your motor anyhow?

13afr is very lean for boost and the voodoo box aint gonna help you because the injectors max out at 6 psi.

The AEM is dirt slow, Im not sure if its just the display or the output too, but Ive tried live tuning with the gauge display and it sucks.
MTX-L is way faster and just as cheap and easy to use at the AEM. I used to recommend the AEM to people who were not doing any tuning and who just need something to monitor AFRs with, but now there is no reason for anybody to ever buy an AEM again.

LOL

do that and report back your results:giggle:

we'll be here waiting
dunno what you're talking about, I never had problems tuning with it on the various different cars over the years. would I like it to be a little faster responding, yes, but is it a deal breaker? no