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Old 06-11-2008, 04:48 PM   #61
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You call those mountains?

Well, actually the Smokey's are fantastic, but they're not exactly in Florida's back yard. On the other hand, I can drive from Highway 1 on the Pacific Coast to the top of the Sierra Nevada's (now those are proper mountains), in less than three hours including a quick stop for a bite to eat in Colfax.

Of course, I'm not mentioning the Pacific Coast Range, which touches the Pacific, because those are mostly less than 8,000 feet in elevation, and not covered by snow year round like real mountains.

Oh yeah, did I mention we have volcano's you can drive on, and over?
It is true; we east cost people donít have the roads like north eastern Ca. I spent 5 months tearing up highway 49 a few years ago, some of the best driving I have ever experienced, Hell I was replacing brake pads every other week. I have found the foot hills of North Carolina to be a good compromise. I can drive 45 minutes and be on roads that are almost as fun to drive, as any I found in Ca. I can drive 5-6 hours and be at my house on the coast, and I live in a state that I can do just about any thing I want to my vehicle, and still be street legal.




For those that think the bugs and critters are bad in FL, here are a few pictures of what crawled into my shop this week.




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Old 06-11-2008, 05:02 PM   #62
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I'd rather live in NC and not be in the military than "live" here and spend 90% of my life in the sand getting shot at. :-)
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seriously, this is so beyond fucked up. i don't understand why you shouldn't be abel to run whatever the **** you want on your car for parts, as long as it passes whatever sniffer tests that they set for the model and year...

i want to see emissions restrictions get tighter, but making any of these restrictions PARTS DEPENDANT is ******* beyond stupid. ignorant ******* lawmakers...
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Old 06-11-2008, 05:16 PM   #64
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seriously, this is so beyond fucked up. i don't understand why you shouldn't be abel to run whatever the **** you want on your car for parts, as long as it passes whatever sniffer tests that they set for the model and year...

i want to see emissions restrictions get tighter, but making any of these restrictions PARTS DEPENDANT is ******* beyond stupid. ignorant ******* lawmakers...
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The old argument was the cars behave differently under load, so an idle test wouldn't be representative. But now with cali using dyno-loaded tests anyway, there's really no reason not to repeal everything except tailpipe tests.
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Old 06-11-2008, 05:27 PM   #65
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so what happens if you convert your vehicle to an electric motor? CARB violation?
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Old 06-11-2008, 05:39 PM   #66
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i dont know what the hell you guys are so afraid of in cali. i had my ghetto-modded turbo specialties kit on red car and i was stopped once and cop popped my hood. he looked at it and said to drive careful. its all about how you treat them. they are just people, you know...
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yes, this is true. but at the end of the day, you have someone telling you what you can or can't do to your car with no basis in reality of what the intent of said laws are. if the idea is to make sure cars are running clean, and make sure you're not modding them to do otherwise, then settle disputes with a sniffer to check the ACTUAL issue being dealt with.

under th current system in cali, i could homebrew some sick underhood inventions and run MS to get super low emissions and great mileage, and still be failed/fined/fucked. end of the day, it's a case of lawmakers not taking the time to think things through and understand what they're trying to regulate.

i have mixed feelings about someone telling me what i can or can't do with my personal property. on one hand, its my money, my time, my car, so **** off... on the other hand, if i'm getting 6mpg and dumping lots of excess **** into the air that's provably bad for everyone, i'm not just wasting my time/money/etc... i'm ******* up everyone's program to a degree. it's a balancing act, but regulating based on your ACTUAL end goal is a good start and a good way to **** people like me off less...
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i dont know what the hell you guys are so afraid of in cali. i had my ghetto-modded turbo specialties kit on red car and i was stopped once and cop popped my hood. he looked at it and said to drive careful. its all about how you treat them. they are just people, you know...
It's a cost/benefit sort of thing. The odds of getting reffed are low. The consequences, though, are quite high. It's why i avoid posionus snakes and eating random things I find on the street. Probably nothing will happen, but if it does, it sucks. Huge fines, lose you car, at minimum a gigantic hassle.


Hot rod magazine did an article maybe 10 years ago on a 10 second 70's camaro, naturally asipirated, that had better emissions than the then-current honda civic. Then they took a page or two to show every emissions law it "would have broke had it been on the street".

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Wait Dude, what? You're telling us he jacked up your car to look for a cat? He actually pulled out a jack and started pumping? And I thought cops were lazy.

Couple questions (and these are questions, not accusations:

1) Did you act like a defensive little ---- toward the cop? Or were you polite and yielding?

2) You said you were doing 68... was this on a highway? Because in any other situation, you were way speeding; this tends to actually **** off the cops.

3) What's your bay look like? Care to post a photo? Does it look hacked? Kinda sounds like it might....

Just curious. This thread is useful for those who live in CA...
I know my car is hacked up! dude i was kissing *** when i got pulled over. He is just one smart cop! he knew what he was looking for.....i would take pictures but my enigine bay is all taken apart at this time already. trying to put it back to stock.
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Let us know how your meeting with the Ref's go. I for one am interested; first because I live in California and am strongly considering installing a BEGi Series 2 or 3 kit, and second, becasue I live in Fairfield (aka, the scene of the crime) and like you I might someday run into that same officer.
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I know my car is hacked up! dude i was kissing *** when i got pulled over. He is just one smart cop! he knew what he was looking for.....i would take pictures but my enigine bay is all taken apart at this time already. trying to put it back to stock.
Thanks for the response.

Still, where were you doing 68? Were you mowing down mailboxes or were you casually cruising in 5th in a 65 zone (not likely)? I bet it was the former...

Have you used any of the info in this thread to help you prepare your case?

If your list of violations includes illegal components, and the ref fails to find them, now that you're going back to stock, how will you explain this? In my experience, smog ***** (refs) are hard-*******-core and can make 25yo cops seem like mushy pushovers by comparison. Expect zero negotiation with the ref.

Also, please update us on the results of your appointment.
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Old 06-12-2008, 03:25 PM   #72
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Er, a few people already said that it's worked for them to go back to stock, so why not?

Being "nice" doesn't always cut it. One, sometimes they are just in a bad mood, but sometimes, they think you're kissing up. Anytime I'm overly cooperative, they throw the book at me.

My roomate, I've been passanger in his car a few times when he got pulled over, and he never gets tickets.

What do you think you were doing?

I guess I was messing around


You know that's illegal and dangerous, right?

yeah. I guess I just did it anyway.

Alright sir, well, don't do it again.



He's gotten beaned before, too, but... I'm always amazed at how he gets out of **** like burns outs past a cop.
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I'll also note that some folks told the OP to turn back your timing to 6*. They will of course check your timing and it has to be within spec or they will fail you. This is part of a regular smog check so I'm sure the ref will do it. I think the spec is +/- 2* so you can still go back to 8.

My wife's Altima failed because of timing even though it passed out the tailpipe. I was driving a SE-R at the time with a JDM engine so my car would fail the visual before they even thought of testing the tailpipe. The CARB laws are about money. They don't really care what comes out your tailpipe.

I miss some stuff about living in San Diego, but now I live in Florida with no smog inspections and I'm loving it! The lack of a state income tax is just icing on the cake! I learned a long time ago not to knock Cali or try to convince anyone from there of the benifits of another state. I equate Californians with Southerners (that should burn them up) in that both groups have enormous pride for where they come from, think it is the best place on the earth, and many don't even want to visit another place. Basically they will defend it to the death. When I lived there I would constantly tell my friends, you should check out how much house you can get if you moved to XXX. I always got the same response (no matter where I was talking about), "Yeah, but then I'd have to live in XXX!"
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"....Californians.....have enormous pride for where they come from, think it is the best place on the earth, and many don't even want to visit another place."

Actually, most Californian's are transplants from the colder regions of the country, and so we know exactly what it's like to live elsewhere. For example, I'm a Connecticut Yankee who moved here via Martinsburg Virginia, Bayfield Colorado, and Tucson Arizona.

Native Californias are actually quite rare, and they're not afraid to tell you so.
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"I equate Californians with Southerners (that should burn them up)"

More likely to burn up the Southerners than the Californians.
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Being in the Navy, I have lived many, many places. But I was born and raised in San Diego and can't wait to get back. Being Military and a legal resident of Florida, I don't have to worry about smog, but I know how bad is sucks.

The only other thing that really pisses me off about Cali is the gun laws. Hippies hate guns and Cali has more than any other state. It's virtually impossible to get a CCW in this state unless you can prove you carry large amounts of cash on you for some reason. I don't need to strap a shorty MP5 around with me, but with craziness on the rise daily in our fair country... iron (especially in Cali) should be a given if you desire. The Commonwealth of Virginia in general is absurd in it's legislation (worse than Cali and I speak from experience), but it is a "shall issue" state and I say Amen.
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"I equate Californians with Southerners (that should burn them up)"

More likely to burn up the Southerners than the Californians.
When I said "them" I meant both groups. Like I said, it's one way they are similar. I was born and raised in the deep South and I lived in Cali for 6 years so I know folks from both groups pretty well. Getting a Southerner to visit Cali is about as easy as getting a Californian to visit the South. The Southerner is scared they will get hit on by a gay person or attacked by a crazy person, the Californian is scared they will get shot or attacked by a crazy person. Both are just ridiculous overreactions.

And yes there are lots of transplants in Cali, but it's those who are born in Cali that have the most Cali-pride.
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i have the carb # but he gave me a ref anyways! he's pretty damn smart! i bet he owns a turbo car himself...he was naming everything under my hood. that BITCH! Fine me for 8 different things!
Go shoot that bitch!

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Heh, well, I dunno. It's just a very nice place. I've visited places that had some pluses, but it's hard to imagine giving up on all I get here. I think I could learn to live with things in other places, but....

'Course, enough cash that I could get a house AND have the miata would be awesome. :-)
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Thanks for the response.

Still, where were you doing 68? Were you mowing down mailboxes or were you casually cruising in 5th in a 65 zone (not likely)? I bet it was the former...

Have you used any of the info in this thread to help you prepare your case?

If your list of violations includes illegal components, and the ref fails to find them, now that you're going back to stock, how will you explain this? In my experience, smog ***** (refs) are hard-*******-core and can make 25yo cops seem like mushy pushovers by comparison. Expect zero negotiation with the ref.

Also, please update us on the results of your appointment.

I will let you guys know how it goes. my appointment will be in july. i just got the afm. still need injecotrs..will goto pick n pull this weeken..do you guys know what other car shares the same injectors as the 1.6 miata? well, i got pulled over that day doing 68 mph in the rain...everyone was doing about 55/60 ...it was on highway 80 in fairfield ... he said my suspension was too tight and that i will spin out n crash if i hit a little oil. i have falken azenis on by the way. i don't know if it helps being on the road better.

anways how's the fire in santa cruz? can you see the smoke where you are at?
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