web camshafts are these good..
 

^^ +1, cheater..

they're an NA grind, doubt they'd be any good for turbo.

If everyone adds cams then it's not cheating.

It's only cheating if you get busted doing it.

Cheat to win,that's what I always say.

will these be good with my greddy setup

I tend to agree with kotomile.

^ if everyone and their mother cheats in SM then everyone is on equal ground as far as performance goes,but the ones that don't cheat will be left behind?

Like I said before it's only cheating if you get caught.

if you have to cheat to win you're really not playing the same game. Comments like that will lose you a lot of friends and probably earn you a lot of protests in Solo...

In spec maybe a dry smile.

I remember our first event a young man introduced himself with his smooth southern accent and proceeded to tell us all the illegal engine internals he had...

then later we came to find he was leading the national points race :td:

That's ok, you cheat and you drive like a hack and people will know it and you will get caught. It will cost you $$ to pay for tear down, it will cost you $$ in fines, it will cost you repuation and if you run a business that translates to more $$. In the end it's not worth it for a game, there's no money on the line.

These cheater cams are one item in a series of common "cheats" many SM drivers are guilty of, but the really great drivers aren't cheating at all. They're working their asses off with well prepared machines and tons and tons of seat time.

It could be argued though...the whole point keeping costs low...that for $250 in headwork I can have a motor that performs onpar with so-called "stock" sunbelt motors that are so ridiculously prepared but tear-down proof they cost about half what my entire car cost to put together.

And at one point 80% of the top 10 was running one.

Mike's been exposed at the national level, where there is a national amount of pride on the line. I suspect the talent dictates a bit less money being spent in the regional field I'll be in this year.

Blake,if I was gonna cheat.....do you really think I would tell anyone that I'm doing it and risk getting caught.

In motorsports everyone finds a way to cheat,either it be the weekend racer or the pros.Heck even those idiots on the show "PINKS" cheat.

No it just means your honest and play by the rules.

like they're going to check your cam anyway

^ very true.

If your not cheating,your not winning.

In every sport there is cheating,either it be illegal performance enhancements in motor racing or faking injuries to favor your team in soccer,NHL,NBA or NFL,shit they even cheat in tennis and golf.Hell even profesional body builders cheat(steroids)to win.

I race shifter karts competitively at a club level. I've won heat races. My kart is 100% legal. If you have to cheat to win in motorsports, you need to learn how to drive.

Since you are an excellent shifter kart driver,just think how many more races you could win if you cheated.

:cjerk:

whatever helps you sleep at night. i would much rather lose honestly than win dishonestly. but maybe im crazy

Excellent drivers who cheat:
Richard Petty, ran a motor 24 inches over the limit, ran illegal tires

Darrell Waltrip, lightened his car past the limit, strapped weight to his inspection set of wheels, would pit early in the race to get "regular" wheels. Also would put 60-70 lbs of lead in his inspection helmet, which would always have to be replaced because of "radio issues" before the race

Jimmy Johnson, connected his rear window to the track bar, so a track bar adjustment would change the angle of the window to deflect air over the rear spoiler

Jeff Gordon, illegal intake mani

Jeremy Mayfield, fuel additives

Jeremy Mayfield, roof line too low

Kurt Busch, failed template tests

These are just a few instances of people who were caught, and I could remember. There were practically no penalties sactioned against any of the cheaters.

Rumoured cheats that noone will specifically fess up to:
Using NOS in qualifying, hiding NOS equipment in driver's suit
Radio controlled actuators to lower spoiler angle during a race
Using magnets to stretch the fuel cell to hold more gas
Intentionally dropping debris on the track to avoid being lapped
Hollow roll bars filled with shot, dumped out during the course of a raise
Hollow roll bars filled with fuel

I donno what you're talking about, but cams are about the easiest thing to catch. Trust me, they check 'em.

bunch of dirty moonshiners.

guys just got caught at the runoffs with a roll cage made almost entirely with exhaust tubing instead of the spec'd steel

suspension and compliance tests as well.

at the runoffs they run a digital x ray of some sort to measure thicknesses of components and check part numbers.

The top teams in F1 all cheat,they seem to be doing pretty good at winning.

For the other F1 teams that don't cheat or don't know how to,well look where they are at.

MikeD you need to face the facts that cheating is part of winning,if you don't do it someone else will.

I emailed the guy on some of his parts. He seems dishonest and the cam gears he has advertised as adjustable are just stock ones. Look at his other listings.

I guess he is just trying to win a few dollars by cheating a little. If you cheat, sooner or later someone will cheat on you. :nono:

and as for cheating, a man is only as good as his word.

Don't compare Club racing to F1. :rofl:

currently the high bidder for the auction is : sn- specmiataracer =\

^ don't be sorry,just be glad and do the JDM happy dance.

so are the cams any good?

Spike,

For me it isn't worth the end COST of cheating. As I said, reputation, cost of tear down, penalties and fines. I know people that have been dumped out of the SCCA to the tune of $20k. Not worth it to risk it.

ooh i emailed the high bidder:

As a member of the specmiata racing community do you really want to get a repuation of being a cheater? Do you think it is wise to purchase these obviously illegal cams for your race car considering how easy it will be to determine your identity? Not a threat, but how about using a little common sense...this is club racing.

/waits for responderz

specmiata.com discussion here:
http://forum.specmiata.com/cgi-bin/u...1;t=002441;p=0

There is a big difference between "cheating" and "mis" intreptation of the rules. A lot of those NASCAR references were teams bending the rules and then getting ruled against. The risk you take is that your times are disallowed, it happens. F1 is the same way. There isn't nearly as much grey area in SM.

This is miataturbo.net and not specmiata! if you signed up just to argue about rules and rule breakers cheating in specmiata then :gtfo: !

but if your here to discus turbomiatas then welcome to the forum.

I have 5 miatas in my posession as we speak and there is a turbo miata stored among them ;)

I agree.


Shut the fuck up M8.

I don't give a shit if you own 50 turbo miatas,again this is a turbomiata forum and not the specmiata rule book website.

stop fuckin preaching to me about what's honest and what's not,cause you know what I really don't GIVE A SHIT!!!:gtfo:

MikeD....you don't know shit about me to judge my morals and ethics.

what I can say is that your morals and ethics ain't helping you win any races are they?:asshole:

Whats the deal with all these super off topic threads? First, a discussion of cams would probably be best in general miata, but greddy works. Second, I dont care who cheats and who doesnt, im here to find out how to make my miata fast, for me. I was actually kinda interested in the topic ...

oh well :cjerk:
hey, almost forgot ... its friday! :friday:

Later

Sorry, I got carried away. Did not mean any disrespect to the OP.

OP: Those cams are shit, dont buy stuff from someone so untrustworthy. Especially for a turbo app theyre not going to be suitable.

and admin: watch your mouth, there are kids here.

he cant drive in a fawking straight line or hit an apex to save his life so turbo, ethics, cheating, or nos aint gonna help him win.

I'll say what I god damn well want on my own fucking forum, and if you have a problem with that I'll be happy to remove you from it.

Driving in a straight line is what counts,not that specmiata bullshit.

turbo,ethics,cheating and nos always helps me win.

The only time I need to hit an apex is when I make my turnoff after I beat bitches like you in your spec'd out miata.

IBTL, FTMFW!!11!one!!! :D

Oh my god I thought I was the master of going off topic and not knowing when to quite.

Both you guys need to shut the fuck up already.

There is only one judge you guys need to worry about, so stop pissing on each others leg, for those who do believe in God.

Am I going to have to start a jesus forum for you and pitlab?

Damn and i thought i got arguments going geez guys. If the shit works great if not great do it prove it and shut the fuck up. This isnt even funny anymore. I am surprised phillip didnt ban that one guy he must be having a good day. ok i just had to say that now continue. im not even here

I gave spike the green light to lay into him. Thought we could use some drama.

From the quotes it looks like someone was banned?

This argument is pretty much done,unless one of those two clowns or both decide to start again with their bullshit.

miked thought it was wise to tell me what I can and can't say and got his account deleted.

:oops: gues he forgot about this being your forum. Good work man he was an ass anyway.