Notices
Prefabbed Turbo Kits A place to discuss prefabricated turbo kits on the market

web camshafts are these good..

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 1, 2007 | 07:41 PM
  #1  
deseroner's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 79
Total Cats: 0
From: bay area,California
Default web camshafts are these good..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...1187626&rd=1,1
Old Feb 1, 2007 | 08:59 PM
  #2  
kotomile's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 7,537
Total Cats: 42
From: Monterey, CA
Default

^^ +1, cheater..

they're an NA grind, doubt they'd be any good for turbo.
Old Feb 1, 2007 | 10:02 PM
  #3  
Braineack's Avatar
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 80,552
Total Cats: 4,368
From: Chantilly, VA
Default

If everyone adds cams then it's not cheating.
Old Feb 1, 2007 | 10:09 PM
  #4  
spike's Avatar
Elite Member
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,614
Total Cats: 0
From: vancouver canada
Default

Originally Posted by MikeD
I hope someone reports that guy to SCCA and he gets an impound inspection after every race..
It's only cheating if you get busted doing it.

Cheat to win,that's what I always say.
Old Feb 1, 2007 | 10:10 PM
  #5  
deseroner's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 79
Total Cats: 0
From: bay area,California
Default

will these be good with my greddy setup
Old Feb 1, 2007 | 10:21 PM
  #6  
Trent's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,651
Total Cats: 39
From: Louisiana
Default

Originally Posted by deseroner
will these be good with my greddy setup
Originally Posted by kotomile
they're an NA grind, doubt they'd be any good for turbo.
I tend to agree with kotomile.
Old Feb 1, 2007 | 11:08 PM
  #7  
spike's Avatar
Elite Member
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,614
Total Cats: 0
From: vancouver canada
Default

^ if everyone and their mother cheats in SM then everyone is on equal ground as far as performance goes,but the ones that don't cheat will be left behind?
Old Feb 1, 2007 | 11:16 PM
  #8  
spike's Avatar
Elite Member
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,614
Total Cats: 0
From: vancouver canada
Default

Originally Posted by MikeD

They pay alott of money to have a "stock" 1.6L that pulls harder than my stock 1.8L.. You can bet its not stock, and you can bet that its very hard to bust.
Like I said before it's only cheating if you get caught.
Old Feb 1, 2007 | 11:23 PM
  #9  
thefirebuilds's Avatar
Newb
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13
Total Cats: 0
Default

if you have to cheat to win you're really not playing the same game. Comments like that will lose you a lot of friends and probably earn you a lot of protests in Solo...

In spec maybe a dry smile.

I remember our first event a young man introduced himself with his smooth southern accent and proceeded to tell us all the illegal engine internals he had...

then later we came to find he was leading the national points race

That's ok, you cheat and you drive like a hack and people will know it and you will get caught. It will cost you $$ to pay for tear down, it will cost you $$ in fines, it will cost you repuation and if you run a business that translates to more $$. In the end it's not worth it for a game, there's no money on the line.

These cheater cams are one item in a series of common "cheats" many SM drivers are guilty of, but the really great drivers aren't cheating at all. They're working their asses off with well prepared machines and tons and tons of seat time.

It could be argued though...the whole point keeping costs low...that for $250 in headwork I can have a motor that performs onpar with so-called "stock" sunbelt motors that are so ridiculously prepared but tear-down proof they cost about half what my entire car cost to put together.

And at one point 80% of the top 10 was running one.

Mike's been exposed at the national level, where there is a national amount of pride on the line. I suspect the talent dictates a bit less money being spent in the regional field I'll be in this year.
Old Feb 2, 2007 | 12:18 AM
  #10  
spike's Avatar
Elite Member
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,614
Total Cats: 0
From: vancouver canada
Default

Blake,if I was gonna cheat.....do you really think I would tell anyone that I'm doing it and risk getting caught.

In motorsports everyone finds a way to cheat,either it be the weekend racer or the pros.Heck even those idiots on the show "PINKS" cheat.
Old Feb 2, 2007 | 12:38 AM
  #11  
spike's Avatar
Elite Member
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,614
Total Cats: 0
From: vancouver canada
Default

Originally Posted by MikeD
I dont cheat.

Guess that makes me a nobody
No it just means your honest and play by the rules.
Old Feb 2, 2007 | 12:59 AM
  #12  
Philip's Avatar
Elite Member
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,270
Total Cats: -4
Default

like they're going to check your cam anyway
Old Feb 2, 2007 | 01:16 AM
  #13  
spike's Avatar
Elite Member
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,614
Total Cats: 0
From: vancouver canada
Default

Originally Posted by Philip
like they're going to check your cam anyway
^ very true.

If your not cheating,your not winning.
Old Feb 2, 2007 | 01:53 AM
  #14  
spike's Avatar
Elite Member
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,614
Total Cats: 0
From: vancouver canada
Default

In every sport there is cheating,either it be illegal performance enhancements in motor racing or faking injuries to favor your team in soccer,NHL,NBA or NFL,**** they even cheat in tennis and golf.Hell even profesional body builders cheat(steroids)to win.
Old Feb 2, 2007 | 02:30 AM
  #15  
Savington's Avatar
Former Vendor
iTrader: (31)
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 15,442
Total Cats: 2,106
From: Sunnyvale, CA
Default

Originally Posted by spike
^ very true.

If your not cheating,your not winning.
I race shifter karts competitively at a club level. I've won heat races. My kart is 100% legal. If you have to cheat to win in motorsports, you need to learn how to drive.
Old Feb 2, 2007 | 02:37 AM
  #16  
spike's Avatar
Elite Member
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,614
Total Cats: 0
From: vancouver canada
Default

Originally Posted by Savington
I race shifter karts competitively at a club level. I've won heat races. My kart is 100% legal. If you have to cheat to win in motorsports, you need to learn how to drive.
Since you are an excellent shifter kart driver,just think how many more races you could win if you cheated.
Old Feb 2, 2007 | 03:23 AM
  #17  
Rage_Kage's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 473
Total Cats: 1
From: Edmond, OK
Default

Originally Posted by spike
Since you are an excellent shifter kart driver,just think how many more races you could win if you cheated.


whatever helps you sleep at night. i would much rather lose honestly than win dishonestly. but maybe im crazy
Old Feb 2, 2007 | 03:29 AM
  #18  
Ben's Avatar
Ben
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (33)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 12,659
Total Cats: 134
From: atlanta-ish
Default

Excellent drivers who cheat:
Richard Petty, ran a motor 24 inches over the limit, ran illegal tires

Darrell Waltrip, lightened his car past the limit, strapped weight to his inspection set of wheels, would pit early in the race to get "regular" wheels. Also would put 60-70 lbs of lead in his inspection helmet, which would always have to be replaced because of "radio issues" before the race

Jimmy Johnson, connected his rear window to the track bar, so a track bar adjustment would change the angle of the window to deflect air over the rear spoiler

Jeff Gordon, illegal intake mani

Jeremy Mayfield, fuel additives

Jeremy Mayfield, roof line too low

Kurt Busch, failed template tests

These are just a few instances of people who were caught, and I could remember. There were practically no penalties sactioned against any of the cheaters.

Rumoured cheats that noone will specifically fess up to:
Using NOS in qualifying, hiding NOS equipment in driver's suit
Radio controlled actuators to lower spoiler angle during a race
Using magnets to stretch the fuel cell to hold more gas
Intentionally dropping debris on the track to avoid being lapped
Hollow roll bars filled with shot, dumped out during the course of a raise
Hollow roll bars filled with fuel
__________________
Chief of Floor Sweeping, DIYAutoTune.com & AMP EFI
Crew Chief, Car Owner & Least Valuable Driver, HongNorrthRacing

91 Turbo | 10AE Turbo | 01 Track Rat | #323 Mazda Champcar

Originally Posted by concealer404
Buy an MSPNP Pro, you'll feel better.
Old Feb 2, 2007 | 09:01 AM
  #19  
thefirebuilds's Avatar
Newb
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13
Total Cats: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Philip
like they're going to check your cam anyway
I donno what you're talking about, but cams are about the easiest thing to catch. Trust me, they check 'em.
Old Feb 2, 2007 | 09:07 AM
  #20  
thefirebuilds's Avatar
Newb
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13
Total Cats: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Ben
Excellent drivers who cheat:
Richard Petty, ran a motor 24 inches over the limit, ran illegal tires

Darrell Waltrip, lightened his car past the limit, strapped weight to his inspection set of wheels, would pit early in the race to get "regular" wheels. Also would put 60-70 lbs of lead in his inspection helmet, which would always have to be replaced because of "radio issues" before the race

Jimmy Johnson, connected his rear window to the track bar, so a track bar adjustment would change the angle of the window to deflect air over the rear spoiler

Jeff Gordon, illegal intake mani

Jeremy Mayfield, fuel additives

Jeremy Mayfield, roof line too low

Kurt Busch, failed template tests

These are just a few instances of people who were caught, and I could remember. There were practically no penalties sactioned against any of the cheaters.

Rumoured cheats that noone will specifically fess up to:
Using NOS in qualifying, hiding NOS equipment in driver's suit
Radio controlled actuators to lower spoiler angle during a race
Using magnets to stretch the fuel cell to hold more gas
Intentionally dropping debris on the track to avoid being lapped
Hollow roll bars filled with shot, dumped out during the course of a raise
Hollow roll bars filled with fuel

bunch of dirty moonshiners.

guys just got caught at the runoffs with a roll cage made almost entirely with exhaust tubing instead of the spec'd steel



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:10 AM.