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Jitwontee 08-28-2017 08:08 PM

Cant go higher then 175chp
 
Hello, i race in a local time attack series with not very limited rules. Pretty much my only rules i have to stay within is 200tw tires (225 rival s 1.5) and then staying in 12:1 hp to lb. I had my car weighed with a full tank it was 2120 this tells me i can pretty much get 175 at the crank. The race sanction takes your wheel hp and adds 15% if your 2 wheel drive so thats about 150 to the wheels. The motor i have in the car is a automatic 1.6, i say auto motor because supposedly they have a smaller intake cam and lower compression. Im looking to focus on power this off season with that being said 1.8 swap/supercharger/turbo give me advice. I know with 1.8 i will still be pretty low on power. The supercharger would put me right their but im just not a fan of them. I would love to do a low boost turbo build but kinda scared of making too much power

18psi 08-28-2017 08:12 PM

you can drop in a vvt long block with bolt ons and achieve 150hp without even needing boost.
that's a very modest power goal and super easy to reach.

Art 08-28-2017 09:15 PM

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vitamin j 08-28-2017 10:56 PM

Sounds like you're running the PPIR series. I'd recommend an MKTurbo kit and then just turn the boost down to 5-7psi for competition and enjoy 10+ on the street. I was driving the black Miata in RA with an MKTurbo kit last weekend, the turbo response is excellent.

Jitwontee 08-29-2017 01:09 AM


Originally Posted by vitamin j (Post 1436474)
Sounds like you're running the PPIR series. I'd recommend an MKTurbo kit and then just turn the boost down to 5-7psi for competition and enjoy 10+ on the street. I was driving the black Miata in RA with an MKTurbo kit last weekend, the turbo response is excellent.

Ha small world yea i run in rb at the ppir tad and i want to stay in rb for next year. Im leaning towards a turbo with real low boot because their is room to grow so when im ready for the class switch i already have it figured out.
im the maroonish red na6 89 rb i think you talked to me two events ago askin if i was running ms and asked about my paint

Art 08-29-2017 05:33 AM

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Midtenn 08-29-2017 01:11 PM

VVT Swap with bolt-ons should get you right there with no issues.

Jitwontee 08-30-2017 11:36 AM

Yea as much as i would like to turbo i think im goin to go the vvt route

Full_Tilt_Boogie 08-30-2017 01:18 PM

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The NA route makes a lot of sense, but if youre feeling adventurous you could take advantage of the rules by building a turbo setup that makes lots of torque and stays under the max power. The trick would be to use a restrictor with a small turbo. Run "all of it" at low-mid RPM and let the restrictor choke it down at higher RPM. With a responsive turbo you could get something like this dyno.

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shlammed 08-30-2017 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by Full_Tilt_Boogie (Post 1436846)
The NA route makes a lot of sense, but if youre feeling adventurous you could take advantage of the rules by building a turbo setup that makes lots of torque and stays under the max power. The trick would be to use a restrictor with a small turbo. Run "all of it" at low-mid RPM and let the restrictor choke it down at higher RPM. With a responsive turbo you could get something like this dyno.

https://i.imgur.com/agrGB0u.jpg

you can do this with electronic boost control provided your wastegate allows for you to waste all of the exhaust up top. then a switch of a map/switch and you change back to all of the boosts.

Art 08-30-2017 03:27 PM

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pdexta 08-30-2017 03:44 PM

This tiny turbo, high rpm, boost bleeding theory sounds way overly complicated, over expensive, less reliable, and not very much fun to drive, all for very little gain. N/A VVT makes plenty of tq down low, not that you're driving at 3000rpms on a track anyway. I'm as big of a turbo fanboy as anyone, but at that power level it just makes no sense to me.

Jitwontee 08-30-2017 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by pdexta (Post 1436873)
This tiny turbo, high rpm, boost bleeding theory sounds way overly complicated, over expensive, less reliable, and not very much fun to drive, all for very little gain. N/A VVT makes plenty of tq down low, not that you're driving at 3000rpms on a track anyway. I'm as big of a turbo fanboy as anyone, but at that power level it just makes no sense to me.

this kinda whats goin through my head i have a t2556 layin around from my fwd sr days but it might be too big or find a 3-5 psi wastegate might be a pain it does help its a auto 1.6 motor but still cost, reliability, better power band, more future potental and vtak im pretty sure im goin 1.8vvt swap with ms3 this off season. then turbo the vvt the off season after when i ready to switch classes

Lexzar 08-30-2017 08:45 PM

how about a gt2052? or something like or smaller than a kp39
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a4438ace68.jpg

shlammed 08-31-2017 08:34 AM

you don't need to run a small turbo, just make sure your wastegate is big enough to allow you to waste the boost.

aaronwalker1974 08-31-2017 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by Jitwontee (Post 1436503)
Ha small world yea i run in rb at the ppir tad and i want to stay in rb for next year. Im leaning towards a turbo with real low boot because their is room to grow so when im ready for the class switch i already have it figured out.
im the maroonish red na6 89 rb i think you talked to me two events ago askin if i was running ms and asked about my paint

Hey guys. I run the same series. Ford Focus RS in AA. I'll be at the next event and hope to talk with you guys there.

ByteVenom 08-31-2017 12:36 PM

I agree with everyone suggesting a VVT with bolt ons. A turbo for that little of a power boost is not worth the cost/weight of the entire system. Think about it, you'll need to add the weight of a turbo, all of its necessary lines, intercooler, and charge piping.

Lexzar 08-31-2017 01:36 PM

I just want to see it for science. VVT/bolt-ons would probably win races.

Jitwontee 08-31-2017 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Lexzar (Post 1437071)
I just want to see it for science. VVT/bolt-ons would probably win races.

it would be fun to try but the effort to gains doesnt make sense it would be cool kinda a proper turbo set up making very little power 🤣.
But im trying to win races not win a science fair, im on the lookout for a vvt motor now.

Lexzar 08-31-2017 02:31 PM

It would be quite fun to make 20psi by about 2-2.5krpm


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