Originally Posted by Mobius
(Post 792911)
I see a re-route in use - you are using the BP26-10-271 head gasket? Did you open any additional passages through the gasket or leave it as is?
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 792992)
94-00 gasket, no other mods. Engine runs too cool so, no problems. We'll run a fairly fine mesh rad protector screen at Thunderhill to cut aero drag and keep clt temps near 195°
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that's the optimal operating temperature.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 793015)
that's the optimal operating temperature.
With my current cooling, I am running at 190-195 on track. We will find out what I end up at when it gets cooler since my Tstat is 180. |
Originally Posted by Track
(Post 793012)
silly question really, but is there a reason you picked 195*? Are you guys running an oil cooler btw (and which one if you are)?
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 793022)
195° works for us. Setrab, -10 Aeroquip socketless
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Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 793027)
My Aeroquip socketless blue hose leaked after about 1-year, through the ply.
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 792992)
94-00 gasket, no other mods. Engine runs too cool so, no problems. We'll run a fairly fine mesh rad protector screen at Thunderhill to cut aero drag and keep clt temps near 195°
Which also close partially at high speeds? When the temps are low they're shut, to reduce drag... Prop airplanes have been doing this for decades. And now the GM Cruze does it too... |
Originally Posted by Track
(Post 793018)
optimal for longevity I assume? I am just trying to understand why 195 as opposed to any other value, like say 180, or 205?
With my current cooling, I am running at 190-195 on track. We will find out what I end up at when it gets cooler since my Tstat is 180.
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 793056)
And now the GM Cruze does it too...
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Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 793057)
Hmm, temperature controlled radiator louvers anyone?
Which also close partially at high speeds? When the temps are low they're shut, to reduce drag... Prop airplanes have been doing this for decades. And now the GM Cruze does it too... |
Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 793066)
Movable aero = points. We thought of that. We can not modify the front bumper skin without taking points either. Rad protector screens are free and the rules do not state what open % or how they are fitted. So we fit it flush with a low open %, just like NASCAR and for the same reasons.
I'm thinking about a cable operated screen ("Radiator Curtain shutter" seems to be one term, precursor to the thermostat). It would in principle be a adjustable aero, but maybe not in the rule book. :) |
Originally Posted by NiklasFalk
(Post 793072)
Is a adjustable radiator screen considered "Movable aero"?
I'm thinking about a cable operated screen ("Radiator Curtain shutter" seems to be one term, precursor to the thermostat). It would in principle be a adjustable aero, but maybe not in the rule book. :) |
hmmm would running the radiator fan backwards achieve a similar result?
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Originally Posted by y8s
(Post 793084)
hmmm would running the radiator fan backwards achieve a similar result?
You guys are funny. Presented with the same problems we were, your gearhead minds all go into overdrive trying to out think the competition and stay legal like we did all year. That aspect is one of my favorite things about racing, particularly enduros. Lots to think about, ideas to try. |
If said shutters are behind the radiator, does that count as "aero"?
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Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 793099)
If said shutters are behind the radiator, does that count as "aero"?
Cars from any sanctioning body can run NASA enduro. There only 4 classes for production based cars, ES, E1, E2 and E3. Cars from other series are "mapped" into their respective endurance class. We are mapped in from NASA's own Performance Touring series as a PTD car. So those are the rules we work within as well as the enduro supplement and T25 specific stuff. Current versions of the NASA rules. They get updated without warning and sometimes randomly so it pays to know where all the latest versions are hosted and check them frequently. 2011 NASA enduro rules 2011 NASA Thunderhill 25 hours supplement 2011 NASA Club Codes and regulations 2011 NASA Performance Touring rules Knock yourself out. |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 793057)
Hmm, temperature controlled radiator louvers anyone?
Which also close partially at high speeds? When the temps are low they're shut, to reduce drag... Prop airplanes have been doing this for decades. And now the GM Cruze does it too... Most of the enduro cars I see have a simple, small high flow fan tied to the radiator. No fancy control. No fancy behind radiator shroud. Just a little ducting. I usually find the race car engineering more fascinating than the race itself. |
Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 793111)
No, but that doesn't do much to protect the radiator and is far more complex, difficult to implement, test and service than a screen.
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Originally Posted by Ben
(Post 793133)
The Focus does that as well. It would be possible to do with MS3. I'd also set up a condition that kept the shutter(s) open at high speed if coolant > X°. But as Emilio said, not possible with his classing.
Most of the enduro cars I see have a simple, small high flow fan tied to the radiator. No fancy control. No fancy behind radiator shroud. Just a little ducting. I usually find the race car engineering more fascinating than the race itself. |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 793140)
Well you could have the screen to protect the rad *and* the shutters to improve aero. ;)
So with the screen is doing it's job reducing aero lift/drag while protecting the radiator and reducing airflow to the required amount for a given event during practice, how would one tune the shutters knowing that the car will overheat unless they are full open? edit: It's really easy to get caught up doing stuff just because it sounds cool while losing sight of the bigger picture. In our case, even of the shutters were a free mod, weighed nothing, zero cost, 100% reliable, 1 minute to install.. we would still not do it because we still need a screen and it does both jobs. In race engineering, one has to sometimes pull their ego out of the equation. As a guy with a substantial ego, I have been reminded of this constantly when developing Crusher. You Jason, like to question everyone else assumptions and solutions. It's your raison d' etre and the right frame of mind when building a system. You're also an engineer and suffer from, well, thinking too much. |
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