Hit the brakes !!!
 

Hey guys,

Ive been looking at all the different brake upgrades available for my NB8A & wanted to know what everyones opinions are on all the options....

im looking for pro's & cons of each kit
replacement prices & availability (as im in australia)
how well they work & wear
street use v's track use (as my car is being built for 80% street ((daily driven)) 20% track)
front kit v's front & rear in terms of need
adjustments that have made a good brake kit better....

& price v's how much better the products are in comparison....

this could be a great thread if no one F**ks with it too much..... :fawk::giggle:

traders welcome to put in their two bobs (if mods dont mind)
the challenge begins

Brake setup I plan to run on my track car. Mini Cooper parts FTW!!! Thanks to bbundy for sharing the information on this setup...

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/737924/2

Let's see your results.

I have a spreadsheet comparing different vendor's prices on various race pad options. I was considering posting it, but Im not sure it's appropreiate. For now still on 1.8 brakes, and being mad at the constant pad taper until I can afford a proper bbk.

Unfortunately, I have not gotten that far into my build to have them mounted and running... However, bbundy might chime in as it is his setup afterall.

I have a set of RX7 4 piston calipers I got for free that have been intriguing me. I want to find out what the biggest rotor is that I could use with them if I made brackets for them.

For 80% street 20% track i would totally stick to stock, or 1.8 brake setup which the OP has. (99 right?)

I have gone through:

Hawk hps- Were decent till i hit the track my third time ever then they died.
Carbotech xp10s front xp8s rear- This was my favorite setup of all so far. I was under stock power at the time but they were amazing. Once turbo, i killed a set in a day :(
Carbotech xp12s front xp10s rear- This was a great setup for a long while for me. I only recently began getting serious taper on my pads forcing me to upgrade to a BBK.

Now i run the TSE willwood setup and went through a set of carbotech xp12s on them. They feel peddle wise about the same however both pads wear at the same pace which is key here.

Cons of carbotechs- Price, squeaky
Pros of carbotechs- Low dust, non corrosive dust and a simple garden hose can wash the dust off after track days.

That said I am now going to test out the new Hawk DTC-30 pads on the front and blacks on the back. Gary at track dog racing uses this same setup on his 290whp NB, so i figured i would give that a shot since this setup is about 1/2 the price of a carbotech setup.

Ill be taking measurements of pads, rotors, and track time to see how they last to the carbotechs.

I still need to trade a set of new front xp10s for a set of xp8s. Carbotech wants a 10% restocking fee even with the trade for a cheaper pad.


/ hijack.

maybe post & let the mods decide??? ;)

if not do you mind emailing or pm'ing the details to me???

I have good performance pads on her now with slotted rotors in the front, these work well until the 8th-10th lap at my fav track in which i pull in early to let them cool down, hence why im considering an upgrade....

give me your XP10s then. You can have my sloppy seconds XP8 fronts:brain:

Hi,

i built my own kit with 4 piston calipers from a porsche boxster ( model 986) and discs from a renault clio 2.0.

The piston-size from the caliper is the same like a 996-caliper but the whole caliper is smaller.

The disc in 280x24mm fitts with a 7x15 OZ UL wheel without a spacer. You only need centerrings, the offset of the renault disc is 44mm, the stock disc has 45mm. Bore is the same 4x100mm.

I decided to use these parts because you can get them at every porsche and renault dealer and there are many options for pads and discs.

I use Tarox F2000 discs with pagid orange pads. It works fine, its cheap and you can use the pads for endurance races.

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_...0254_large.jpg

Rear (ebc turbo groove and yellowstuff)
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_...253_medium.jpg

But if you use your car only 20% at track and its not a typical gp-course, its easier to use a ebc turbo groove disc with a ebc yellowstuff pad and a some piping for cool air at the brake.

you can buy my winpro 4 piston front alumi caliper BBK

I've only experience greenstuff and HP+'s on autox courses.

Greenstuff - inexpensive, quite, not dirty, but not fun to modulate and didnt bite as well
HP+ - fairly inexpensive, good pedal feel, they bite, easy to modulate, but can lockup easy at the low autox speeds, lots of dust, and they squeak.

I'm upgrading to 01+ sport brakes and going with some xp10s in the front and xp8s in the rear when I get pads next :). Ill reply my initial thoughts when I get it all installed :)

I'm guessing that Porsche caliper is not a direct bolt on, right?

Right, you need a bracket like this:

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_i...156_medium.jpg

Did you get those custom made or off the shelf? Are those cast?

basically 4 options. In order of price:

M-Tuned kit, $120, no rotors or pads included. Converts to 11" Corrado rotor. Should be available down under, I think the same rotor came on some Passat or something. Pros, cheap. Cons, still uses the stock caliper.

Trackspeed BBK (see my sig). $600, no rotors or pads included. Converts to 11" Corrado rotor. Pros: cheapest wilwood-based BBK (stock caliper is the primary source of most braking issues with the car). Cons, doesn't fit under as many wheels as we'd like.

Goodwin BBK, $1000-$1500 depending on options. pads and rotors included, IIRC. Converts to an 11" 2-piece rotor and Wilwood caliper. Pros, fits the most wheels. Cons, expensive.

V8R BBK, $2000+. I know they include rotors, not sure on pads. Converts to 11.75" 2-piece rotor. Pros, biggest brakes available for the car. Cons, expensive.

I'll have a review of the TSE kit after Saturday. It will be my first track event with brake confidence since day 1.

I was planning on getting the TSE kit before I had to buy a new ECU :vash:
But now I'm just getting the M-Tuned conversion.

But shit.. After helping my brother with his harness tuck and 300zx brake upgrade for his 240sx I really want bigger calipers. :crx:

Both :D

You can get the workpiece at mbt-Engineering, or maybe he remember my bracket and can do it again. Yes, its cast. He had my wheel hub and one of my ronal rims to adapt.

But i needed these cast brackets for our TÜV (like CARB), DIY alloy brackets would be cheaper.

Are you running MSR-C?

EDIT: Nevermind, I'm stupid, your running HHR