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98mystique2 02-03-2013 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by Handy Man (Post 974933)
not air piston jacks. WRC cars have reinforced cylindrical holes in the sides and their jacks have pins that insert into them.

Yup, Google wrc tire change or something or wrc jacks. Some gt1 style air jacks would be dope though

cordycord 02-03-2013 07:57 PM

Under tray, under engine
 

Originally Posted by 1993ka24det (Post 974789)
Hey "cordycord" is your undertray just to fit under the engine or is it also a splitter also. The resin I'm asking is because, I'm going to finish my underbody when I get back and I'm going to have the front section in 3 pieces. The front undertray, a 3" airdam and the splitter. What thickness are you running on the undertray, because I was thinking of using Alumalite for it.

I'm using aluminum sheet only. It doesn't extend beyond the bodywork so I'm not concerned about ultimate stiffness. I forget the thickness.

At present there's no tray under the engine.

1993ka24det 02-03-2013 07:59 PM

The only thing about air jacks is that they are so expensive as a kit, but since I am a hydraulics guy that works on C-130's I don't think it would be hard to make a air system for a car.

cordycord-- Ok I working with .063 and I might use it under the engine or use the rest of my 5x12 sheet to make duct work for air in the rear wheel wells.

Any have the measurements from the widest the front bumper gets and from the steering rack to the edge of the front bumper

cordycord 02-03-2013 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by ThePass (Post 974927)
I don't think anything developed for the catfish is going to transfer over to a miata with anything less than pretty much a total redesign.

You're just down the street in San Diego...maybe we'll need to check it out with your car. :)

donour 02-06-2013 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by cordycord (Post 974761)
sandwich material under and over the underbody so it doesn't buckle, and so the jack doesn't walk. Without going into too much detail, easy peazy.

Yep. That's pretty much what factory flat bottom cars do. Some tube frame cars just weld on a jacking puck and drill a hole for it in the undertray.

donour

mx5autoxer 02-26-2013 07:17 PM

Cool thread. Sub'd.

sixshooter 02-26-2013 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by mx5autoxer (Post 983470)
Cool thread. Sub'd.

There is a "thread tools" dropdown menu that allows you to subscribe to any thread without adding a post.

1993ka24det 03-15-2013 12:26 PM

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Is it a new hardtop? Nope its the new splitter Im building. I guess you gotta get it home some how lol


Sorry I got scratch's on my Galaxy Note's camera lens
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1993ka24det 03-15-2013 03:22 PM

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Here are some more pics from today

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Splitter mounts

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More pics to come

koan123 03-16-2013 06:28 AM

Looking good but two queries:

1. Is the flat floor held with screws/bolts/dzus into the frame rails?

2. Have you taken heat into consideration? It looks like you're covered front to back with no airflow for the gearbox or diff.

1993ka24det 04-14-2013 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by koan123 (Post 990280)
Looking good but two queries:

1. Is the flat floor held with screws/bolts/dzus into the frame rails?

2. Have you taken heat into consideration? It looks like you're covered front to back with no airflow for the gearbox or diff.


1. Yes bolts and Dzus Fasteners

2. I am still working on that


I got bored today and built
Splitter/front diffuser
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M.Adamovits 04-15-2013 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 1993ka24det (Post 1000827)

In this pic, are we looking at the top side or bottom side? That is, are the vents bringing air into the enginebay/underbody? Or releasing air from behind the rad?

And by the way,
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motormechanic 04-15-2013 11:22 PM

they are front diffusers. they are doing neither, not bringing air nor releasing it. They are used to help channel air between the wheel and wheel well/feed brake ducts.

1993ka24det 04-16-2013 02:17 AM

In the morning I will take some more pics, so you can get a better idea

1993ka24det 04-17-2013 05:44 PM

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Here are some more pics, but still not complete

I got the temp of the diff after a hour drive 142 Deg F

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ApexAddict 10-31-2016 01:04 PM

I'm going to be building a flat underbody for my miata within the next few weeks, but I have a few questions before I dive into this whole process.

1) My biggest issue is where and how you guys are mounting the panels? I was thinking of mounting the panel over the outside of the frame rails and then on some of the bracing but some more insight on this particular topic would be much appreciated.
2) I see some people having the entire underside covered while others have a channel for the exhaust. What are the pros/cons to each one? If I decide to cover the entire underside, would I have to bend the panel in order to fit over the exhaust or what?
3) What material are you guys using? I've read that 2mm 5052 aluminum is perfect. Is this the correct thickness/grade aluminum?

I'm sure I'll have some more questions once I dive into the process, but this is all I can think of at them moment.

ApexAddict 10-31-2016 03:30 PM

Would it be safe to drill 5 holes on each frame rail and weld round base weld nuts onto them (with the long part up inside the rail and the round base welded on the bottom of the rail)? I have yet to see someone do this, so maybe there's a reason why?

Blackbird 10-31-2016 03:40 PM

I did mine that way.

motormechanic 10-31-2016 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by ApexAddict (Post 1371095)
I'm going to be building a flat underbody for my miata within the next few weeks, but I have a few questions before I dive into this whole process.

1) My biggest issue is where and how you guys are mounting the panels? I was thinking of mounting the panel over the outside of the frame rails and then on some of the bracing but some more insight on this particular topic would be much appreciated.
2) I see some people having the entire underside covered while others have a channel for the exhaust. What are the pros/cons to each one? If I decide to cover the entire underside, would I have to bend the panel in order to fit over the exhaust or what?
3) What material are you guys using? I've read that 2mm 5052 aluminum is perfect. Is this the correct thickness/grade aluminum?

I'm sure I'll have some more questions once I dive into the process, but this is all I can think of at them moment.


Originally Posted by ApexAddict (Post 1371141)
Would it be safe to drill 5 holes on each frame rail and weld round base weld nuts onto them (with the long part up inside the rail and the round base welded on the bottom of the rail)? I have yet to see someone do this, so maybe there's a reason why?

1. Mounting it to the frame rails seems like the best bet. On Ryan's car, he initially welded tabs to the frame rails to hold his underpanel.
2. Covering the whole underside would yield the best results, but you'd have to deal with heat from the trans/exhaust/diff. A few well place NACA ducts to feed air into the hot parts would be enough.
3. Material is all up to you. 5052 bends very well if wanted that. CF/foam/nomex core, alumalite are also good choices.
4. I don't see why that wouldn't work, actually I think Moti's underpanel on Morpheus is mounted this way.

ApexAddict 10-31-2016 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by Blackbird (Post 1371142)
I did mine that way.

Right on, how many did you do on each frame rail and what size did you use? If you don't remember it's not big deal, I'm assuming the size of the weld nut isn't THAT important right?

Originally Posted by motormechanic (Post 1371143)
1. Mounting it to the frame rails seems like the best bet. On Ryan's car, he initially welded tabs to the frame rails to hold his underpanel.
2. Covering the whole underside would yield the best results, but you'd have to deal with heat from the trans/exhaust/diff. A few well place NACA ducts to feed air into the hot parts would be enough.
3. Material is all up to you. 5052 bends very well if wanted that. CF/foam/nomex core, alumalite are also good choices.
4. I don't see why that wouldn't work, actually I think Moti's underpanel on Morpheus is mounted this way.

Right on! Thanks for the advice. I was definitely planning on doing NACA ducts to all 3 mentioned heat spots. What I'm curious about, is the fact that my exhaust seems to be lower than my frame rails. How do people get around this? I'm not 100% positive but i'll have to double check.


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