No can do, sir.
But that shouldn't stop you from placing an order since the mounts are available is standard height as well (no engine drop).

With so many configuration of headers, turbos, downpipes and exhausts available, there simply isn't a way for us to test them all and verify fitment with the drop mounts and thus we have to leave it to you to make the call.
To check clearance for the drop mounts, I'd recommend jacking the car up and using a 1/2" thick piece of something as a spacer to slide between things that can hit and see if there's a half inch to spare going downwards.
If you find that even with a 1/2" drop things clear with ample amount of room, consider the drop mount a good option.
If you're unsure, go for the standard height mount.
Simple as that.

I assume these will have a prominent Blackbird logo to match my rear spoiler? ;)

Keep up the good work.

No logo on those, should be able to tell right away that this is a BFW product ;)

Took a bit longer than expected, but the first batch is shipping tomorrow!

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...c15cae72ad.jpg

there are parts in that picture? where?

Right in front of that GT350R that only has 970 miles on it.

:likecat:

There's a gt350r in that picture!?
I couldn't keep my eyes off that NB in the back.

I'll be interested to see if the drop mounts work with the TSE turbo system. Might still order them since I'll be N/A for a while.

I have to say, Moti outdid himself on these. They are so pretty it's almost a shame to mount them up, I almost want to just bolt them in right next to my matching Pearl Gun Metal GT3 roll bar.

Here's some photos for you folks. This is the standard height (non-drop) "low NVH" mounts.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...bf28bd65f3.jpg

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...08dfa4e424.jpg

Glad you like them!
Are they on the car yet? ;)

Kicking myselfnfor buying the Mazdaspeed Motorsports mounts a few months ago. They aren't even in yet.... Hmmmm....

Pretty sure you can find a buyer for new Mazdaspeed mounts.
Just sayin'.. :dealwithit:

Not yet. I've got to swap out the Fab9 mounts and will report back once the BBFW are broken in.

Plus, I've got a shot driveshaft that needs replacing :crx:

Throwing in a set of low NVH, no drop, engine mounts into my street/track toy today. Cannot wait to give it a go with these!

https://c6.staticflickr.com/9/8814/2...c2c095e5_c.jpg

Post your reviews!

I sent a few emails with no response back..

I can report the low NVH drop mounts are compatible with the factory MSM turbo brace in case anyone cares. I had to move the mounting points of some coolant reroute bracket because the motor sits down and slightly forward to the way it did but otherwise, it looks good. I'll do a short test drive sometime before I load for MRLS and will know if there are any hidden issues just in time for Moti to help me fix them! :giggle:

Did you have a different mount before these?and how did they compare?

To be perfectly honest, I don't have any cars with NB mounts so I wasn't entirely sure. The turbo brace borrows two of the four mounting points on the motor mount so there was at least some question. I discussed it with Moti before I ordered and we agreed I would post my results in exchange for 'oh shit, it doesn't fit' insurance...

Hahaha!
We haven't had a chance to make sure that the mounts fit on the MSM, so Brian was a good candidate to try it out and get the feedback.

Any feedback from people who've installed the low NVH no drop mounts? Could you also PM me a price shipped to a business in jersey? Thanks!

I don't do PMs, but if you want to shoot me an email which includes the details of your car and shipping address I'll be happy to price it out for you - sales _at_ blackbirdfabworx _d0t_ com.

How does one go about ordering a set? I sent an email to sales on the 21st and haven't received a response.

My bad, might've missed it in the chaos leading to MRLS.
Let me see if I can dig and get back with you, thanks!

Want some too
 

hi, I have also emailed/messaged and seem to have got lost. Keen, if you can sell me some!

Anyone have any updates on the mounts?

Just sent you a email. Looking to get a set of the lowered NB style with comp bushings.

Working on weekend emails, so expect an answer shortly.
We got them in stock and can ship today :)

I pulled the trigger on a set. Look forward to getting em installed.

After adjusting the PPF I bet the entire eng/trans assembly is down nearly the entire 1/2". That's pretty significant on a track car IMHO!

I measured 1/4" down at the shifter, and thank you for your business!

Any drive reports from people with low nvh mounts

Similar to shuiend's query on this regarding his kit:

Will the low NVH drop mounts accommodate the TSE EFR "kit"?
If someone has tested this, please confirm since I'd like to order a set (not willing to be the test mule since I'm in Australia - S&H costs are too expensive to try and organise a swap if they wont fit).

Here's my simple rule of thumb to follow if you are looking to order our mounts - When in doubt, choose standard height.
Pop the hood and see what is going to hit what in case the engine and everything that is solid mounted to it moved down 0.5".
Flexible things will easily move 0.5" down, so things like rad hoses, fuel lines, vacuum lines etc.. are all going to be A-okay.
It's the things that don't move that you're watching for - header, turbo, downpipe etc.. see how much clearance they have from the subframe or anything else that they might hit (depending on your setup).
If it has the clearance to drop 0.5" - great, if it doesn't or if you're unsure, follow the rule of thumb and order the standard height :)

Im about ready for std height. Race stiffness.

D

Shoot me an email, we'll make it happen.

Is it necessary to drop the differential also to correct the pinion angle?

Do you even PPF?

Negative.
The driveline moves as a unit and the 0.5" drop at the engine side nets 0.25 degree difference in pinion angle, essentially zero.

These have been out a while now. Surprised no ride reports on the low nvh mounts either drop or not.
how much more nvh over Mazda comp mounts.
I am a potential buyer who already has the lower nvh hybrid 949 set with one mazda comp and one soft 949 mount on the shelf.
waiting on drive reports to make decision?
black bird can you pass along any reports/feedback from customers?

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https://www.miataturbo.net/suspensio...1/#post1370905

Copy-paste my reply from the other thread -
There's a break in period of a few hundreds of miles.
During that period NVH will be higher than normal, so it is to be expected.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...90654282c7.jpg

^These were my previous mounts that I pulled out. Holy hell, no wonder I was having problems shifting into 3rd on the track.

Replaced them with BBFW "Street" mounts at standard height.. On first engine ignition, the vibrations scared me, it sounded like my car was tumbling in a barrel of rocks. Once it settled to idle at ~850 RPM, the car has some noticeable vibrations, but the car didn't rattle like a bird cage, it was actually quite pleasant and not bad in my opinion. On the initial clutch grab at around ~1500 RPM, the car shook and vibrated the most, but once the clutch was in, it was pretty fine. Once the car was past 3000RPM, all the rattling settled down and drove almost stock, but you could definitely tell that there are some extra vibrations in the whole entire car, but not bad at all! I'm not worried about these vibrations at all, as this isn't my daily driver. I was honestly expecting MORE vibrations and shaking.

Now onto the driving feel. The engine movement is completely gone. The whole front of the car feels like one solid big piece. This was the very first thing I noticed when I rolled out of the driveway. VERY awesome. Next, I noticed that my shifter wasn't moving around as much anymore. With my stock broken mounts, I could feel my shifter rock side to side often. All the movement is gone. Shifts became much smoother. I didn't even realize how damn notchy the shifter was before, now it goes into every gear like butter!

I can't wait to go back to the track and see how much better it feels.

Much of the initial NVH will go away after the mounts are broken in, typically a few hundreds of miles later.
Glad you like them, they are a joy to drive around the track :)

I got the new drop mounts installed yesterday. No clearance issues with the lower motor height. If anything I gained space from header to floor pan. Fit was good. I like the weight savings measures that were taken during fabrication. Top notch workmenship. If I have a complaint it's the powder coating. I hate it on the bolting surface of things. I would have preferred bare or painted.

I opted to try the 95 durometer inserts. Compared to the 70's I had in my AWR mounts they are not that bad. I feel a bit more high frequency vibration but my mirrors remain clear. Not a dramatic change. I'll need to get some seat time to determine if the decision was a wise one.

Will I feel the benefits of a 1/2" lower motor? Who knows but the concept is solid.

Another update!

I've been driving on these motor mounts for about 500 street miles, most of the vibrations have settled, but I've noticed my rearview mirror, hood, and front license plate vibrate when at idle. This isn't a big deal for me.
Last week, I was at Laguna Seca for a trackday. Oh god, the difference in shifting was amazing, completely smooth and buttery every time.
After reviewing my gopro footage from my previous trackdays, I noticed that my shift knob stopped moving back and forth with these new mounts! Totally satisfied and happy with these.

Videos for those that are interested:

Old mounts:

BBFW mounts:

Just put these in this weekend (street version/stock height), I was a bit surprised at how much NVH there was initially but even after only 50 miles its calmed down quite a bit.
All my gauges are dancing around a little bit now, assuming its from the vibration, and kind of hoping it'll go away as they break in. Anyone have this issue?

Just went for a drive in the mountains, shifting feels amazing now.

My Tach bounces around, but I just figured it's because of my car being 25 years old.

mostly because na

Yeah every NA I've had does it, never had my temp and oil gauge bounce around though.

Oh well, old car shit. Checked all the grounds so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Add a zero to that mile count and your mounts will calm down a good bit more :)

I was able to fix the tach in my NA pretty easily.


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Any feedback on a VVT engine in a NA with the drop mounts? Mainly concerning the oil pan, I know the VVT oil pan has different baffles but not really sure if it is much different for dimensions on the outside?

You're A okay to use the mounts with the VVT engine.

OK thanks, I will check clearance as is with the current engine and if looks good am planning to order a pair of the drop mounts as they look to be really well built. Thank you.

Sounds like I better measure everything tonight after work and order asap. Thanks for the heads up!

Ordered a set of the drop mounts, hopefully they work out will post back.
Can't really take measurements because after closer inspection one of the mounts is currently sagging/ripped. :loser:

in the same boat, just bought the last pair in stock from flyin miata to drop a vvt in my NA6. im adding an M45 so am hunting hood clearance, but didnt measure anything :dunno:

Edit: just went through this thread, if the sump lines up with the bottom of the subframe then should be drop mounts?

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Can some mount dimensions be published to differentiate between the drop mounts and standard height mounts please?

I ordered the drop mounts and installed today. The sump hasn't dropped relative to the subframe so it's got me wondering.

Yes, the drop mounts would line up the sump with the bottom of the subframe.
There's one dead visual giveaway that you can always tell between the drop mounts and the standard height mounts (regardless of which engine they are made for) -

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...4b509d3374.jpg
Standard height

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...6cb25281a3.jpg
Drop mounts

Thanks so much for the info. I have the drop mounts then.

Interesting though as the OEM mounts I was using placed the sump at a very similar height relative to the subframe. Perhaps influenced by the lack of the bottom mounting cups and aged rubber?

​​​​​​The mounts are in fact quite rigid (Shake test as per video), keen to put some mileage on these and see how well they break in.