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The new marrad miata seats w/sliders
Has anyone sat in or used these yet? They seem win to me. No tunnel bashing, sliders (mandatory for me so Ms Mobius can drive the car), and a seat height on the sliders not much higher than directly on the floor.
Being offered by Goodwin Racing here. No certifications of any kind, so useless for those that need such things, but looks good for average track joes like me. Anyone have any feedback on them? |
nice, but pretty limited details and the seat does not look very aggressive.
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$900 and no certs? No thanks.
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I was going to say: the price is staggering. You can get bride/recaro/younameit for that kinda dough.
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$900 and no holes for 6 pt harness?
If you want a badass street and occasional track seat, you can find Elise seats cheaper than this. |
Yes. Elise seats are killer for our cars. Some dude on CR makes bolt in rails for them, too.
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Corbeau Forzas - with sliders - are less than that through one of the forum vendors. Like 100 bucks less per side.
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Originally Posted by rleete
(Post 883678)
Corbeau Forzas - with sliders - are less than that through one of the forum vendors. Like 100 bucks less per side.
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Yeah, now that you mention it. I think the price I got was for a pair, and was just about 800 bucks. So, less than half.
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Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 883655)
$900 and no holes for 6 pt harness?
If you want a badass street and occasional track seat, you can find Elise seats cheaper than this. Right on the money. |
My Sparco Sprint V's were half that and I use them with the factory sliders.
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Not bad deal..........if it were for the pair.
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lol what a waste of money
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Originally Posted by viperormiata
(Post 883673)
Yes. Elise seats are killer for our cars. Some dude on CR makes bolt in rails for them, too.
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Entry level halo seat money for a un-cert'd basic seat? Sign me up!
I'm a bit curious about their slider setup though. I need to get my seat on a slider for the Mrs to be able to drive properly and still be basically on the floor for her head to be under the bar.
Originally Posted by jboogie
(Post 883737)
Not bad deal..........if it were for the pair.
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The big advantage that I see with them is that they are more streetable and easier to use with the factory belts than most certified seats. As for the Lotus seats, if you can find them they're nearly the same price.
That said, I'd rather get a Sprint V or similar and swap seats if I needed to for street use. |
My challenge is finding seats that accept harnesses, seat me lower than my current foamectomied stock seat, and that have sliders so Ms Mobius can drive the car. That's a must. I'm 6'2, she's 5'7. I am willing to swap seats and hook up the harnesses for the driving season, but not on a per-event basis. This rules out most all aluminum seats, as far as I can tell, due to the requirement for the brace.
The finished seat in the pictures is of one of the manufacturer's C5/C6 vette seats, upon which this seat appears to be based. So to address a couple of points some posters have missed - a) they do/will have the hole for the sub straps. Read the text. b) the actual seat has more aggressive bolstering than the one pictured (examine the shell in the car). c) the price is expensive, but included in the $900 are the sliders and the mounts. The seat itself is $700. d) Elise seats have pretty weak side bolstering, IMO, and are no cheaper. I'm 6'2 with a 34" inseam. Is there anyone of similar size or taller with an adjustable race seat? That works with door bars? |
NIN nin ninnn
NINEE FRAKKING HUNDRED DOLLARS OF FUKKKK YOU |
I have Cobra Clubmans for play time. They fit with my fat 36" wasteline tightly, but used to fit great when I wasn't such a lardo and had a 32" wasteline. They have sliders under them and sit lower then the stock foam gutted seats. The slider did require 4 holes in the floor to be drilled though since they aren't the stockers.
I pulled them out after breaking it off with my autocross loving ex and bolted the C5 sport seats to the floor. |
I think the guy needs a bigger helmet...
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This guy posted a huge thread on clubroadster a long time ago about making seats. I posted that he needed to copy the Elise Probax seats as they are comfy, have great support, fit big guys, sit on the floor, and look great. He then proceeded to copy the Elise seat style then posted prices that were the above. He is way above the value of the seats IMO, he has priced them out of range of 99% of us miata guys that need a seat like this. I dont know if this is the same company but it sure looks like it. Most Elise seats I see go for 900-1200 a pair.
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Arizen's target market for that seat is the Corvette owner. He didn't design it assuming many Miata owners would buy it.
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Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 886408)
Arizen's target market for that seat is the Corvette owner. He didn't design it assuming many Miata owners would buy it.
http://www.nubax.com/the-concept/ Seat thread from Arizen. http://clubroadster.net/vb_forum/sho...=30885&page=14
Originally Posted by arizen
(Post 748224)
There were not enough people ready to purchase to make it worth a fiberglass company making just shells. I started working with another company who makes fiberglass components but has an upholstery division as well. They are not interested in selling the shell by itself but will custom upholster seats to order. They started making a pattern for the cover and sent me these pictures. The cover has some lumps in it because they only lightly glued it down in a few areas so they can remove it again. This cover is on my shell and they need to use my shell to make a mold. They used some carbon fiber areas and did the diamond insert pattern but that can be changed. The inserts will be offered without the diamonds as well.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1339112538 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1339112538 With covers in vinyl or vinyl/cloth, each seat would be $699. In leather or leather/suede - $899. That's $100 more than the prices with seats being made overseas but there would be no need for minimum orders and cover styles, colors, materials, etc. could be varied. This does not include mounting hardware and we have not started working on any yet. I realize these may be more expensive than some people can afford but there is no need for people to post they are looking for cheaper seats. There are plenty of them out there and we hope you the best. Those who realize how hard to come by and expensive the Exige seat is and like the idea of having upholstery options will know who to contact :). |
And it has just as little side bolstering everywhere as the seats it is copying. Now I'm thinking a memoryfab S68 might fit the bill.
http://hondamarketplace.com/attachme...1&d=1314240247 |
I want that lotus seat copy.
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Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 887651)
I want that lotus seat copy.
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Originally Posted by pusha
(Post 887652)
they don't look like they offer enough side bolster
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Originally Posted by crashnscar
(Post 887658)
Not for a car that sees heavy track time, but he probably wants them for his daily. I've been thinking about Lotus seats for my daily, but didn't pay much attention to them when I have driven Lotus' and have heard of a couple people complaining that they aren't very comfortable. I'm guessing they are the wine and cheesers though.
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get that cheap ultra shield seat but order a wider one than you normally would so you can fit your doughnut :giggle:
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Originally Posted by pusha
(Post 887684)
get that cheap ultra shield seat but order a wider one than you normally would so you can fit your doughnut :giggle:
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those Lotus seats just look like park benches to me. I daresay I'd rather have my Z06 seats, which are already terrible.
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Originally Posted by Mobius
(Post 887640)
And it has just as little side bolstering everywhere as the seats it is copying. Now I'm thinking a memoryfab S68 might fit the bill.
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That's the question. Going to call them.
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Originally Posted by Mobius
(Post 888532)
That's the question. Going to call them.
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Seats and brackets are available but on a made-to-order basis; seat delivery is approximately 3 months. I don't know that I should post quoted prices so I'll just say that, hypothetically, if one were going to budget for a seat plus a bracket, one should estimate about 750 total. Plus shipping etc.
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A couple of things for this thread.
The Marrad seats do have a slot for the sub belt, you can't see it in the pictures, but there is a spot. Certs- well, I doubt that anyone that really "needs" certs is buying a dual purpose seat. If you run in a series that requires certs, doubtful that you are running a seat on sliders with padding and cloth. I know lots of people love the Elise seats, but for me, they SUCKED. I mounted them to the flipside brackets- no real lowering of the seat and I literally could just barely get out of the car. My right leg was pinned between the wheel and the seat each time I tried to get out. Additionally, I could not move the seat back far enough for my legs- heel toe was just a fantasy. |
Originally Posted by dwink
(Post 1004501)
I know lots of people love the Elise seats, but for me, they SUCKED. I mounted them to the flipside brackets- no real lowering of the seat and I literally could just barely get out of the car.
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Originally Posted by baron340
(Post 1004518)
I've got elise seats with brackets based on revlimiter's design and they are absolutely fabulous. I'm 5'10" and couldn't handle driving with the seat any lower. I've also got a momo hub, nrg 2.5 QR and 360 mm wheel and don't have any clearance issues with my knees. Maybe it's just because I'm average height, but I am extremely happy with this setup.
I have a Marrad seat coming this Thursday, I will try to get some before and after pictures from a foamectomy to the Marrad. |
As I am 6'2 34" inseam as well, your comparisons are of interest to me.
I've sat in a Recaro SPG, and it's super nice and comfortable, but won't have sliders and will need a bracket solution. Possibly some massaging as well. I have fundage, just waiting on the right solution to pull the trigger. |
Originally Posted by Mobius
(Post 1004660)
As I am 6'2 34" inseam as well, your comparisons are of interest to me.
I've sat in a Recaro SPG, and it's super nice and comfortable, but won't have sliders and will need a bracket solution. Possibly some massaging as well. I have fundage, just waiting on the right solution to pull the trigger. |
wow thats fucking insane considering i payed around $950 for my sparco circuit pro, and that is FIA cert. For $450 i bought my buddyclub seat and that had no cert
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How much were the slider mounts and hardware? I know my flipside brackets were 300 for the pair.
I get it, but again- .000001% of dual purpose owners need certs. The cost of certifying a seat is prohibitive for a small company- for me- it is nice having a bolt in ready option that gets me on the road and under the broomstick. |
Bah! Peasants! Just get the Tillett B5...and let me know how it works out. :giggle:
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No lotus-douche-bling in my car, please. Pretty sure I can buy one of Andrew's built blocks for the cost of a pair of those.
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These are the POS's you're considering? Um, no. For that cash get an FIA certification at least. Nail's is very comfortable.
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I like mine. I got a drivers side only and it got me (5 10) from where I couldn't put a finger between my head and the softtop to where I can put four fingers there now... with the pads in. With pads out, I drop to where I'm looking directly over the steering wheel.
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Originally Posted by curly
(Post 1004752)
These are the POS's you're considering? Um, no. For that cash get an FIA certification at least. Nail's is very comfortable.
FIA is like the new JDM. For all the bawlers YO. |
It's not for the new JDM bawler status, but why not for $900? It's one thing to get a great looking and comfortable seat with bolt in brackets in a DD, but he races this thing, and is only a few track days away from SM lap records. Spending $900 would be silly without FIA certification. There are lots of FIA seats for ~$400-700, leaving ~$500-200 for brackets.
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Yes- sorry, no offense meant.
I just think it's funny that everyone gets so excited about spending 9-1200 on a set of garbage lotus seats (plus 300 more in brackets) that don't do more than a foamectomy and are used (and have lousy lateral support and comfort), but when a small manufacturer steps up, everyone thinks it's nuts. Little guys are not going to cert a dual purpose seat- period. The Z06 corvette guys (and all the Vette guys) really appreciate Marrad and the feedback in the Vette world is very positive. Granted, they could be a hundred or two less, but for me, not having to guess fitment and fabricate rails is worth a couple of hundred bucks. I talked to the guy that owns the business, and I can tell you he has forgotten more about seats than I ever knew! |
I have the seats. For me they work well. DD & drive to HPDE's (planning on TTs).
My requirements were: 1. Hole for 5 point harness 2. Get me low under the bar, 5'10" long torso 3. Enough width for me to DD, 250 lbs 4. Narrow enough to put in without tunnel modification 5. Bolt-in, no fab or welding I pull the DD cushions and put in 1" foam from Pegasus racing for HPDEs. They were a little pricey but come with the brackets and sliders. Actually a little less than a Sparco EVO II with brackets and sliders. They were comfortable enough for 9 hrs from Dallas to NOLA and back for a HPDE. They're probably not for everyone. It's a compromise seat for dual use, not great for DD, not acceptable for W2W racing. They'll be the last seat I put in this Miata. |
Originally Posted by curly
(Post 1004752)
These are the POS's you're considering? Um, no. For that cash get an FIA certification at least. Nail's is very comfortable.
a) NA's have more room than the NB. Everything has more room than the NB. b) still have to get brackets for the SPG. There are a couple of reasonable aftermarket choices for brackets. Tunnel modification with BFH required. c) seat will be non-adjustable once installed compared to a seat on sliders. d) height drop compared to stock after installation is still undetermined. So even having sat in the SPG there are still a lot of unknowns. There are people who have FIA seats and FIA harnesses and yet have installed the seat with homemade brackets made from Home Depot mild steel of unknown composition ... What makes a seat right is different for everyone. This is not going to be a competition vehicle. That will be a different vehicle, and probably 11 years down the road. |
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Lovers can love, and Haters can hate- but here they are!
I should be able to get these installed today, I just need to find someone to take a couple of before and after pictures (mostly before- I can get after anytime) to show any changes. I also included a couple of shots of the sub belt slot (under the foam) and of the sliders. Good stuff!! https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1366912893 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1366912893 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1366912893 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1366912893 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1366912893 |
So you can pull out the foam from the seat bottom and it's still bearable to sit on during track duty? Then slap the foam back in for the drive home? I see EricJ above mentioned using some 1" foam from Pegasus on-track.
EricJ - Any pictures of yours installed? My curiousity is probably mostly idle, but I had to drive my Miata to work a couple of days while the 3-series was in getting a firmware update and the Sparco bucket + 6-point harness combo was a biatch. Just as it was on the drives to and from Roebling and will be on the drives to and from anywhere. I'm considering something more like these seats + the factory 3-point for street duty, leaving the 6-points installed but tucked behind the seat until track time. |
Right the DD cushions are about 2 1/2" thick, so pulling them gets me under the bar with my helmet on and increases the bolster height to hold me in a little better. I've done 20-25 minute track day sessions without any foam, and it was fine.
I read about the Pegasus foam on the Flying Miata site, specifically the setup for Targa. I was actually more concerned about my instructors, as they may not have as much natural padding as I do. I do DD the car around town, everything except my freeway commute. |
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Ok- got the drivers seat in. I had some trouble with mounting, the rail on the sliders hits the bolt that holds the seat bracket to the floor unless you get it JUST right. Took me a bit to wrestle with that. I also spent some time working on the seat angle, ended up on the lowest setting on the rear and 2nd from the top up front.
I dont think you are going to get too much lower than this with a seat. The bottom is scooped out and literally sits on the floor. My sub belt metal buckle was too thick to live to the rear of the seat, I had to reposition it under my thighs. The stock seat has an aggressive foamectomy on it- and I had max recline (like I would for a track day). Here is the stock setup https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1366944721 Next picture is with all the puffy foam in place on the Marrad https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1366944721 Here is minus the seat bottom https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1366944721 And finally, no bottom or back. I did have a bit more leg room here. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1366944721 It's nice and comfy with the padding in, with it out- seemed ok, but I didn't go far. I can tell you, with no padding, I am about as big a butt as you are going to get in this seat. No wisecracks about how ugly the driver is! |
Shoulder slots are ok? Not too low?
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Totally forgot to look- hang on!
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I think it's okay. Just got all harnessed up, more comfortable than the Konig's I had in my last turbo Miata
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1366955169 |
Originally Posted by dwink
(Post 1004501)
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Certs- well, I doubt that anyone that really "needs" certs is buying a dual purpose seat. If you run in a series that requires certs, doubtful that you are running a seat on sliders with padding and cloth. |
I may consider the Cobra Racer Pro. I just need to sit in one first.
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