Roof or no roof...weight v Aero.
I have been trying to buy a damaged race roof cheap from a supplier but he is out of town...was hoping to have it fitted and ready to race on Saturday....
Between the race weight roof and the new f/glass race weight boot lid I was hoping to drop a decent amount of weight and have a crack and my PB lap time. Turns out neither the roof or boot will be ready and I suddenly thought had the brain wave... save even more weight and just take the whole bloody roof off. Now I can't decide whether the Aero loss will be offset by the weight loss.... Anyone care to elaborate....? track is approx 2.8km long with only one main straight that will have a top speed around `90 - 200 KPH. |
aero > weight in this case. I've found the hard top to be worth 1-2 seconds depending on the track.
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Do you intended to sawsall the windshield off?
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not at this point... :)
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Without a doubt run the top! Weight is ~ linear penalty, Aero penalty is squared.
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Hard top is worth the weight. There's a local track here with a huge straightaway, even on a 120 to 140HP Miata it's worth about 6 to 10MPH at the end of the straight. Lap times are much better at all tracks with it on.
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Theres a picture somewhere where 949 (i think, may have been someone else) ran a piece of coroplast on top of the cage, and recieved some aero benefit.
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Roof is always better.
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Even with autocross?
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Maybe not for something like an ES car. CSP might be a wash. Competitive SSM cars have them.
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Thanks!
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Originally Posted by aidandj
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Theres a picture somewhere where 949 (i think, may have been someone else) ran a piece of coroplast on top of the cage, and recieved some aero benefit.
Edit - Looking at it he obviously used either carbon fiber or glass that he had laying around. Not coroplast. Similar idea. (sorry for potato quality, only shot I could find) https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1455135907 |
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This is where virtual dyno is really cool. Make a 4th gear pull with the top and without the top, don't correct for the weight difference, and it'll give you an answer which is faster for any given speed.
I logged a couple pulls a long time ago in a NA8 with headlights up vs down and the areo difference showed up pretty big above 40mph. I feel like you could pretty near pinpoint the speed where your areo advantage overtook the weight advantage and it'd give you a clearcut answer to your question. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1455138370 |
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1306578)
Maybe not for something like an ES car. CSP might be a wash. Competitive SSM cars have them.
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Originally Posted by pdexta
(Post 1306619)
This is where virtual dyno is really cool. Make a 4th gear pull with the top and without the top, don't correct for the weight difference, and it'll give you an answer which is faster for any given speed.
I logged a couple pulls a long time ago in a NA8 with headlights up vs down and the areo difference showed up pretty big above 40mph. I feel like you could pretty near pinpoint the speed where your areo advantage overtook the weight advantage and it'd give you a clearcut answer to your question. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1455138370 |
How much does the "race roof" weigh? They are available here in the states at about 11lbs before you add the poly window.
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What about hard top vs soft top? Any lap time time difference there???
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Originally Posted by Neddy
(Post 1307110)
What about hard top vs soft top? Any lap time time difference there???
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How much does the "race roof" weigh? They are available here in the states at about 11lbs before you add the poly window. Two guys who race in the same Classic Japanese class I do have done it already and say the weight saving is significant. they told me the figures at the time but i forget now...I just know its the next stage of car delveopment :) |
Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1306621)
Only a couple do. It's not worth the weight, like cool though. WE don't go fast enough for drag to matter and if you can't drastically over power your front aero with your rear then your wing sucks
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