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Old 05-16-2012, 01:14 AM   #21
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That may be too long for me to wait. ;D

The question is, can it handle T11 at H2R? Here's how my current Koni/GC handles the bump...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYfiSJ3xHCc
Is that a new bump? Seriously, I've never come close to going over a bump there that hard. The bumps prior to the chicane aren't a big deal anymore. I drove around them when I had the Tein stuff, now I drive over them and don't care.
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Is that a new bump? Seriously, I've never come close to going over a bump there that hard. The bumps prior to the chicane aren't a big deal anymore. I drove around them when I had the Tein stuff, now I drive over them and don't care.
Yeah, the ground under the H2R track has been odd lately. T9 has actually smoothed out quite a bit as I can go back to being WOT through there.

Not so harsh...
3 min 18 seconds in...
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7 min 55 seconds in...
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2 min 25 seconds in...
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omg wtf harsh! 2 min 15 seconds in...
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Basically, if you have the money to do it, you'd be a fool not to. My shocks are great and the Xidas do everything better. I probably should have waited 6-months to get the Xidas, but whatever. When it comes time to rebuild them, I'm just going to order Xidas and probably keep these shocks as spares or something.

You will not regret buying them at all. They changed the way my car drove. What was once white-knuckle scary stuff, is boring now.
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They are planning on fixing T11 (the harsh-*** bump before the front straight) in mid to end of summer 2012... just an FYI to everyone.
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Basically, if you have the money to do it, you'd be a fool not to. My shocks are great and the Xidas do everything better. I probably should have waited 6-months to get the Xidas, but whatever. When it comes time to rebuild them, I'm just going to order Xidas and probably keep these shocks as spares or something.

You will not regret buying them at all. They changed the way my car drove. What was once white-knuckle scary stuff, is boring now.
Nice, once I get the MegaSquirt ems in and tuned I'll be purchasing a set of Xida CS and selling the Koni/GC setup. I'll post some videos here for a before-and-after look as well.
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Nice, once I get the MegaSquirt ems in and tuned I'll be purchasing a set of Xida CS and selling the Koni/GC setup. I'll post some videos here for a before-and-after look as well.
You should get together (cross swords) with Jeff and come to Dallas for a day of dyno tuning. I can also probably come to Austin and tune on a mutually convenient weekend if you want to use Steve's dyno.
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I went from 60k mile stock shocks to Moton Club Sports on my S2000 and noticed a world of a difference. I just wasn't sure what differences I would see going from Koni to AST.

I probably won't be competing in NASA TT nationally for a while since I'm working on SCCA Solo II stuff nationally. I was hoping I could build a car to chase you in TTB or spoolin in TTA. I just need to find out if it's more fun to drive a turbo Miata than a track prepped s2k. If it's the Miata then it's time to upgrade the shocks.
really, I dont think you can compaire motons to stock
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really, I dont think you can compaire motons to stock
An S2K with a stock-ish engine, 255 NT-01s, and aero is faster than me. I'd take the S2K...but that's probably because I have the Miata. At this point, the Miata is basically a vintage thing. We are slow, gay, and stupid.
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really, I dont think you can compaire motons to stock
That was the point I was trying to make. The Motons were leaps and bounds above stock (and the stock s2k suspension isn't all that bad, but yes, it's still stock). I was wanting to know if the Xidas were a step up enough from the Koni/GC to justify the cost. If they were only going to be marginally better then there's no point in spending the extra grand after selling the Koni/GC to warrant the upgrade.

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An S2K with a stock-ish engine, 255 NT-01s, and aero is faster than me. I'd take the S2K...but that's probably because I have the Miata. At this point, the Miata is basically a vintage thing. We are slow, gay, and stupid.
For some reason I find that hard to believe. Are you talking about when you detune to TTB they're faster than you or is this compared to your full-power tune? It would be fun to build a TTC s2k but insurance would be hell having 2 in the garage.

Also, hustler, I shared the turbo miata & ttc s2k Google Docs with ya just for kicks looking at build costs.
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hustler, I'm new to the nasa world, did my first nasa event a couple weeks ago and hopefully I'll have my license at the next event, ( first time was a shake down didnt even ask about tt). what makes you say a miata, miata turbo cant be competitive? turbo on a non turbo car? or is it more then this? it does seem the field reflects your statement but I would like to know what specifically makes the Matias not competitive.
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hustler, I'm new to the nasa world, did my first nasa event a couple weeks ago and hopefully I'll have my license at the next event, ( first time was a shake down didnt even ask about tt). what makes you say a miata, miata turbo cant be competitive? turbo on a non turbo car? or is it more then this? it does seem the field reflects your statement but I would like to know what specifically makes the Matias not competitive.
This sounds like a good topic for its own thread. I'd be down.
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An S2K with a stock-ish engine, 255 NT-01s, and aero is faster than me. I'd take the S2K...but that's probably because I have the Miata. At this point, the Miata is basically a vintage thing. We are slow, gay, and stupid.


f- off I, just got my miata and it is the new hotmess! if i cant keep up with a s2000 on track then I should just take up golf.
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yeah, I would've posted a new thread but i didn't realize it was past his bed time
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That was the point I was trying to make. The Motons were leaps and bounds above stock (and the stock s2k suspension isn't all that bad, but yes, it's still stock). I was wanting to know if the Xidas were a step up enough from the Koni/GC to justify the cost. If they were only going to be marginally better then there's no point in spending the extra grand after selling the Koni/GC to warrant the upgrade.


For some reason I find that hard to believe. Are you talking about when you detune to TTB they're faster than you or is this compared to your full-power tune? It would be fun to build a TTC s2k but insurance would be hell having 2 in the garage.

Also, hustler, I shared the turbo miata & ttc s2k Google Docs with ya just for kicks looking at build costs.
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f- off I, just got my miata and it is the new hotmess! if i cant keep up with a s2000 on track then I should just take up golf.
Pick up a set of clubs, then. S2000s are unbelievably fast with virtually no modifications.

I drove one at an autocross once - you turn, and the car rotates, and then you add power to settle the rear end, and it both rotates and accelerates the car in a way I've never experienced before. They are silly fast.

A competent driver can get into a 100% bone stock S2000 (stock tires) and go faster than a Spec Miata at any track in the country.
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While I agree that S2k's are quick, they aren't some holy grail or anything. They have their problems too. For one, they don't make much torque. Their handling can also be very twitchy depending on how they are setup. I beat a bunch of very good drivers in s2k's all last year in autocross with my 370Z, and I'm not a great driver by any stretch of the imagination.

Miatas are simple, cheap, and relatively well setup for track duty from the factory. Thats hard to beat (although most of us here have eliminated both the simple and cheap part)
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Pick up a set of clubs, then. S2000s are unbelievably fast with virtually no modifications.
Totally agree.

Handy Man, the 370Z is a weapon. They are unbelievably competent track cars. It should be about as easy for a 370Z to beat an S2000, as it is for a S2000 to beat a Miata.
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TTC S2K will be competitive. No Miata will ever be competitive in TT outside from TTE. Nasa makes it very clear in classing that they want Evos winning A; E46, S197, and S2Ks winning in B and C.
Reading those post nationals makes me
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Pick up a set of clubs, then. S2000s are unbelievably fast with virtually no modifications.

I drove one at an autocross once - you turn, and the car rotates, and then you add power to settle the rear end, and it both rotates and accelerates the car in a way I've never experienced before. They are silly fast.

A competent driver can get into a 100% bone stock S2000 (stock tires) and go faster than a Spec Miata at any track in the country.
Yup, will be my next track car after I retire the Miata as sad as that is too say.
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Pick up a set of clubs, then. S2000s are unbelievably fast with virtually no modifications.

I drove one at an autocross once - you turn, and the car rotates, and then you add power to settle the rear end, and it both rotates and accelerates the car in a way I've never experienced before. They are silly fast.

A competent driver can get into a 100% bone stock S2000 (stock tires) and go faster than a Spec Miata at any track in the country.
Playing the devil's advocate. Why haven't you moved on to S2000s. I know you run a Miata business, but you could easily run an S2000 business alongside it. (this is coming from a guy who has never actually owned a business!) I had an S-2000 AP2 and I never enjoyed it (street car back then) as much as my current NB-2 or my C6. What does it take for a miata to run with an S2000? All the usual suspension goodies and FI?

If you switched to an S2000 you may then realize a Corvette is faster and need to move up again. Each level you go up, so do the expenses! A set of RE-11 Bridgestones ran me $1500 for the C6. My RS3s are what $500.
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