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hustler 04-13-2010 03:29 PM

TiAL wasteage: now water-cooled
 
Anyone thinking about trying this out? I'm going to put some air and a thermo-sticker on mine to see how hot its getting.
http://www.tialmedia.com/NH/top900.jpg

thagr81 us 04-13-2010 03:34 PM

^ :bowrofl:

On a side-note it has crossed my mind on trying it out. hustler, report back on the temps you see on yours. Would be cool to know for sure...

The only ones I've seen being offered thus far are the 44mm version. Are they doing some of the others as well?

hustler 04-13-2010 03:37 PM

http://i35.tinypic.com/23lnxaf.jpg
That was black like the first picture. The anodizing material starts to change color at 500*, the internal rubber diaphragm starts melting at 300.

thagr81 us 04-13-2010 03:39 PM

Yikes! Have you cracked the wastegate open to check the diaphragm lately?

gospeed81 04-13-2010 03:43 PM

I could see it being cool (no pun intended), and relatively simple (just two lines).

I would imagine you could stay below the melting point of rubber (282*F), even with 220* coolant.

In for results.

ScottFW 04-13-2010 03:47 PM

http://www.tialsport.com/NewHotness.html

That's the MV-S version 2.0, which Tim says I am getting, and yes it does come in 38mm. Same price as the old version and you don't "have to" run the water cooling. I could give a shit about discoloration of the anodizing (I ordered silver :fawk:) but if it will increase longevity of the internal parts then I could be bothered to plumb it in. One of you current MV-S users please pop the top on yours and tell me if there's anything melty in there.

hustler 04-13-2010 03:55 PM

I've popped mine recently and it looks fine. I'm putting a 2" brake hose and NACA duct on it though before I run TWS.

Machismo 04-13-2010 04:04 PM

I was wondering why you chose that "Vag" color...

y8s 04-13-2010 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 555757)
That was black like the first picture. The anodizing material starts to change color at 500*, the internal rubber diaphragm starts melting at 300.

is the 500 in F or C? I know the 300 is C for silicone....

I had some black anodized billet dynalite calipers that turned assbrown from heat. oops.

Savington 04-13-2010 04:50 PM

I'll disassemble my MVS today and see what's up.

hustler 04-13-2010 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 555805)
is the 500 in F or C? I know the 300 is C for silicone....

I had some black anodized billet dynalite calipers that turned assbrown from heat. oops.

I don't know, hopfeully Celcius.

There's a reason hardparking posers call Brembo "Brownbo."

Savington 04-14-2010 12:14 AM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 555811)
I'll disassemble my MVS today and see what's up.

Looks good, just like you do.

Savington 04-14-2010 12:15 AM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 555997)
Looks good, just like you do.

Thanks cutie :-*


But seriously, most of the discoloration is on the outside of the WG and not the inside. I think a heat sticker is going to give you artificially high readings. The inside of the WG is a little discolored, but not nearly as much as the outside is. If black is 0, the inside is maybe a 2 or a 3 and the outside is a 9.

Also, the diaphragm seems to be silicone or something. Still soft and pliable, much like other things that I've agreed not to discuss.

hustler 04-14-2010 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 555998)
Thanks cutie :-*


But seriously, most of the discoloration is on the outside of the WG and not the inside. I think a heat sticker is going to give you artificially high readings. The inside of the WG is a little discolored, but not nearly as much as the outside is. If black is 0, the inside is maybe a 2 or a 3 and the outside is a 9.

Also, the diaphragm seems to be silicone or something. Still soft and pliable, much like other things that I've agreed not to discuss.

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thagr81 us 04-14-2010 09:13 AM

Two posts in a row? Did you hack Sav's account hustler? Haha

On another note, I am seriously considering running the new V44 with water cooling attached...

Savington 04-14-2010 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by thagr81 us (Post 556101)
Two posts in a row? Did you hack Sav's account hustler? Haha

On another note, I am seriously considering running the new V44 with water cooling attached...

Get the MVS38 or your girlfriend will be jealous.

18psi 04-14-2010 06:18 PM

Ok so someone edumacate my dumb ass: WHY the hell would you need to cool down your ewg? Does it get hot enough to stop working or break? I'm so lost.

thagr81 us 04-14-2010 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 556455)
Get the MVS38 or your girlfriend will be jealous.

With a GT3582R and 13B? Haha

hustler 04-14-2010 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by thagr81 us (Post 556101)
Two posts in a row? Did you hack Sav's account hustler? Haha

On another note, I am seriously considering running the new V44 with water cooling attached...

we've been sharing a bed too.

thagr81 us 04-14-2010 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 556476)
we've been sharing a bed too.

Ah ha... It all makes sense now. Thanks for the clarification.


Originally Posted by 18psi
Ok so someone edumacate my dumb ass: WHY the hell would you need to cool down your ewg? Does it get hot enough to stop working or break? I'm so lost.

There are actually two functional reasons for this... 1) The diaphragm of the wastegate is rubber. Rubber melts at a specific temperature (300 C) as stated prior. In a less than optimal location the wastegate's internal temperature could reach these temperatures and thusly melt the diaphragm. This would cause the wastegate to fail. 2) As temperature increases on any spring, the spring rate of said spring will also reduce. This is Physics... So your 1 bar spring that you have installed might only function as a .8 or .9 bar spring depending on the temperature. The coolant through the housing would help eliminate both of these cases by keeping the diaphragm intact and also keep the spring at a constant temperature so it is more predictable. Hope that makes sense... However, I don't really think it is needed except for extreme track duty or HIGH temperature applications (ie - rotaries).

And before I forget, the most important reason Tial did this was to piss hustler off... Thanks for bringing this to my attention Tim. *thumbsup*


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