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Old 11-12-2015, 01:35 PM   #21
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Why in particular? Like I said, I've had PVC in my current shop for 10 years. Like 150+linear ft of it. Also like I said, the idea of it exploding on me doesn't really make me super happy.
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We talked about it somewhere on this forum. Someone (probably Joe) had gore pictures posted too...
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We talked about it when i was talking about plumbing my air compressor. I think its in the help me wire my compressor thread.
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Is the garage to be heated? If not, LEDs take a while to warm up in cold weather. Whoops. I see your location is AL. Nevermind. For those in northern states, be forewarned that LED lights do not work so well in freezing temperatures.
Really?

We've installed multiple LEDs around our facility including outside.

I've never noticed them being any different in cold weather. Define "a while", because I don't see it.
In fact, the mercury vapor that they are replacing take FOREVER to start up and come to full temperature / light output. At least 5 minutes. The LEDs are pretty much instant and faster than florescent with cold weather ballasts.

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Why not get one of those RapidAir systems? They're like $80 and come with cool manifolds and such.

I have an 8' (four bulb) T5 light fixture in my garage and I'm pretty sure you can see it from outer space. Plus is quiet and doesn't seem to mind cold weather. My next garage will be full of them.
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Why not get one of those RapidAir systems? They're like $80 and come with cool manifolds and such.

I have an 8' (four bulb) T5 light fixture in my garage and I'm pretty sure you can see it from outer space. Plus is quiet and doesn't seem to mind cold weather. My next garage will be full of them.
I've never used Rapidair before. I'll check them out.

You can buy really nice t5ho 4 bulb fixtures with reflectors on Amazon for pretty reasonable money, and they're laser bright, but bulbs are expensive and in my experience (aquariums) you have to replace them constantly. I guess regular t5s wouldn't be so bad.

I do kind of like the idea of putting up leds and never having to touch them again.
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I live in OH and changed my garage over to led from fluorescent. Love it and no issues with cold especially compared to the fluorescent.
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Thank you.


I have to re- thinnk my tool organization now.


Anyone have a solution for organizing loose sockets into a shallow drawer where you cant have them all stand upright ? I lose 20% of my working time finding the 15mm, or 14 or 12 etc. Thankfully my 17mm are wrapped with color tape.
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I've never used Rapidair before. I'll check them out.
We use a similar product to Rapidair here at work. I think it works great and I like it. It and rigid iron pipe both have their place.
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We use a similar product to Rapidair here at work. I think it works great and I like it. It and rigid iron pipe both have their place.
I looked at it over lunch, and it seems like a pretty slick solution. I wonder if my local Parker Hose store can get me the individual pieces for cheap.

Also, has anybody used the 1/2" OD line over any significant distance? I wonder if it you could get away with running 50 ft of 1/2" OD RapidAir line, plus 50ft of spooled 3/8" hose with an impact or a spray gun...
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Steel will get water out better than that stuff. Thats important for a spray gun.
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Steel will get water out better than that stuff. Thats important for a spray gun.
From what I've read, aluminum also works well.

Specifically, the aluminum condenser from an automotive air-conditioning system. Installed between the outlet of the compressor and the tank.

No personal experience, but there's a fair bit of DIY stuff floating around on the youtubes and shop forums, and it's reasonably sound science, modeled on what the big industrial compressors use in applications which require clean, dry air.

Have seen similar contraptions built from the copper / aluminum condensers from household window AC units.


Makes sense. Air conditioners operate at hundreds of PSI on the high side.


If you wanted to be really baller, you'd score an old outside-unit compressor/condenser from a whole-house AC system. It's not like the cores in those go bad. Pay a visit to a local company that does home HVAC service. Offer to pay 'em slightly more for an old outdoor unit than the recycler would.
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From what I've read, aluminum also works well.

Specifically, the aluminum condenser from an automotive air-conditioning system. Installed between the outlet of the compressor and the tank.

No personal experience, but there's a fair bit of DIY stuff floating around on the youtubes and elsewhere, and it's reasonably sound science, modeled on what the big industrial compressors use in applications which require clean, dry air.

Have seen similar contraptions built from the copper / aluminum condensers from household window AC units.


Makes sense. Air conditioners operate at hundreds of PSI on the high side.


If you wanted to be really baller, you'd score an old outside-unit compressor/condenser from a whole-house AC system. It's not like the cores in those go bad.


I have no misconceptions about being a baller.

I have a ceramic element 3M filter dryer that seems to work really well. I have no water issues in my current system. It does have a water T trap, the filter/ dryer and a ~12ft rise from the compressor tank to the highest point in the system, though.
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Anyone have a solution for organizing loose sockets into a shallow drawer where you cant have them all stand upright ? I lose 20% of my working time finding the 15mm, or 14 or 12 etc. Thankfully my 17mm are wrapped with color tape.
I have the Lisle socket organizers and love them. Lots of sizes available. Sockets lay flat, magnet to holt them in the tray, and easy to sharpie the sizes beside if you would like.

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Anyone have a solution for organizing loose sockets into a shallow drawer where you cant have them all stand upright ? I lose 20% of my working time finding the 15mm, or 14 or 12 etc. Thankfully my 17mm are wrapped with color tape.
What's wrong with socket rails? Keeps them organized in the drawer, and lets you grab the whole set when you need to toss them in a bag or toolbox.

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We've installed multiple LEDs around our facility including outside.

I've never noticed them being any different in cold weather. Define "a while", because I don't see it.
In fact, the mercury vapor that they are replacing take FOREVER to start up and come to full temperature / light output. At least 5 minutes. The LEDs are pretty much instant and faster than florescent with cold weather ballasts.
I'm talking the ebay/amazon ones. Not industrial/commercial units. The LED in my hot tub area are slightly dim for the first few minutes. You can't see them getting brighter, but they eventually are. You get what you pay for, and they were cheap.

Florescent are much worse, and those CFL suck *****. My outdoor lights get at least twice as bright when they've been on for a while (both CFL), and it's not even that cold yet. In winter it can take 10-12 minutes to get full bright.

We (my company) tried some Big *** LED lights. They are fantastic. They do however, cost a helluva lot. $400 a pop, but they're the last light you'll ever need. Unfortunately, $1600 for lights is in the realm of WTF?
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I'm talking the ebay/amazon ones. Not industrial/commercial units. The LED in my hot tub area are slightly dim for the first few minutes. You can't see them getting brighter, but they eventually are. You get what you pay for, and they were cheap.

Florescent are much worse, and those CFL suck *****. My outdoor lights get at least twice as bright when they've been on for a while (both CFL), and it's not even that cold yet. In winter it can take 10-12 minutes to get full bright.

We (my company) tried some Big *** LED lights. They are fantastic. They do however, cost a helluva lot. $400 a pop, but they're the last light you'll ever need. Unfortunately, $1600 for lights is in the realm of WTF?
Fair enough, i don't mess with cheap / ebay stuff for LEDs.

Did you get the 20k or 26k versions? I got a sample 20k i put up in the absolute worst part of our plant(above strip tank) to see how long it would last. I've been paying $600 at work for the 25k LEDs that are friggin awesome. 25 feet in the air and output almost double what the 400w mercury vapor it replaces did. I've probably got $30,000 in LEDs around the plant now, the DTE rebate is nice though.
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I have the Lisle socket organizers and love them. Lots of sizes available. Sockets lay flat, magnet to holt them in the tray, and easy to sharpie the sizes beside if you would like.
Harbor Freight used to sell these in 2 sizes. I bought one each for standard and metric sockets. I'm terrible at keeping up with them, though. Also, they aren't big enough for any sockets larger than about 19mm.



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$400 a pop, but they're the last light you'll ever need. Unfortunately, $1600 for lights is in the realm of WTF?
Yeah... I don't like LEDs that much.

SuperBightLEDs.com has some "Industrial Low Bay" LED fixtures that claim to replace 450 watts worth of fluorescents for $125 ea. That comes out to 3 8ft 2 bulb fixtures. That sounds pretty optimistic, though.

I'm still not convinced enough to spend money.
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In other news, I just heard back from the shop builder and he's going to meet me at the house in the morning and make me a quote. I guess I'm taking tomorrow off work.
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Did you get the 20k or 26k versions?
We bought the garage light ones. I meant to post a link. Garage Lights and Shop Lights | Big *** Light These are supposed to be for homeowners? Like some average guy is going to spend over 2 grand for garage lights? Right.

But we did get some cool mugs out of the deal, and I didn't have to pay for any of it.
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