Wheels for Racing
 

I was looking around at wheels like the RPF1 or the 949 6UL, but what wheels are you running for your racing setup. I tried to see if Enkei would make the RPF1 in a 15x8, but they are talking about shutting down production of the this awesome wheel.

We use whatever we have. I doubt light car like a miata would bend or break anything of decent quality. RPF1s, 6uls, Koseis, Konigs, Enkeis, Team Dynamics, the list goes on. Basically anything here:
http://www.good-win-racing.com/Mazda...es/Wheels.html

If you're planning to track a turbo miata you will eventually want to run bigger brakes, which don't fit so well under RPF1s. Stock power and stock brakes, no problem. Many/most of the track guys here run 15x8 or wider 6ULs. Wide, light, fit big brakes pretty well, look good, not insanely expensive.

I use Team Dynamic wheels for Spec Miata racing

6UL. you have other options. including a few Konigs, good ol Kosei K1s, a bunch of Team Dynamics wheels come in 15x7. There are others too, just look around.

I have looked around I would have thought there would be more choices for a 15x8, but most of the light weight wheels are gone or going bye bye.

Just like the Buddy Club P1 Racing QF's and the Dymag Wheels that were on the Ariel Atom, by the way does anyone have specs on those Dymag wheels that were discontinued https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327899993

There are tons of 15x8s. Depends on how light you want thought. 6ul is the lightest by far, but in the 12-13 lbs range you have a variety of choices:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327900066
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plus the 6ul. Think long and hard about having a 15x7, your choices almost double. And this was obviously only one site, there are other choices out there.

I've read more than one story about people cracking RPFs.

There was a discussion a while back on miatanet about them.

I have also seen people use what looks like circle track wheels and weighed 10 lbs and want to see if some one was using stuff you don't normally see. For the time being im getting RPF1's/Hankook Z214 for the track and dont know what to get for the street tires/wheels. what stays some what gripy during normal driving

curly: are you running stock internals on 11 psi
what are the wheels at the top, I have seen those before

Ugh this argument again. When will people learn. Wheels are wear items. Expensive wheels can fail not just cheap ones *gasp*. I saw a set of forged 3 piece CCW Porsche gt3 wheels completely separate at speed while on track last summer. Weird things happen even to the best of em.

I agree with you that wheels are wear items...and 6ULs seem to live longer than some of the others mentioned in here. A wheel failure at the track is a pretty serious failure.

Yes, should be a little under 200 tq, ---- breaks at 225 apparently.

Top wheels are konig flatouts I believe, recent copy of some old Enkei wheel

Wheels should bend. They should never crack. Bent wheels are a completely acceptable (and expected) "failure" - cracked wheels are not.

I'm not saying RPF1s crack, BTW - I've never seen that or even heard that rumor before, and I'm not sure I believe it.

We use 6ULs in 8", 9" or 10" widths depending on the application/goal.

I guess it would break if you are unaware of the bent rim for a while lol

The one that comes to mind was on an Integra. The picture showed a thick hairline crack. The guy ended up cutting the other spokes completely to separate the inside from the outside... the crack was completely through. He said that everything was normal during his first few laps and then he started hearing popping. Steel rims bend.. aluminum, not so much.

Rota, TR, and 949 all have a 15x9 that will fit a Miata.

hehe, wheel failures are an interesting topic...

(BTW, Most of these probably failed in a wreck of sorts. There is no indication that these failed during a DE/AX event and for the most part, you can see the car was hit...if its in the picture)
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showth...t=73984&page=2

Also, there is a few powdercoated wheels in there too!

You couldnt be more wrong.

I think there was a thread a while back about a race team that is breaking 6ULs. let me see if I can dig it up...

Here it is, first post, page 3:
https://www.miataturbo.net/showthrea...t=57412&page=3

I bet whatever it is its a pro team with pro drivers in a FWD car on 1000lb rear springs, on something sticky, and they jump the worst of the worst curbs, and I bet we don't know the history of the wheel like how many times it jumped a curb or if it ever put metal on metal before breaking.

People say "oh, a wheel broke OMFG666!!!" but in reality most of us avoid the big curbs and don't trade paint.

oh yea, I have no doubt that its a race team with ridiculous rates. I am in no way saying that 6ULs are bad (I have a set, and plan to get another by the end of the year). All I am saying is, given the right environment, you can break any wheel you want. Whether is a 3-piece CCW or a lowly Rota.

there was no OMFGing on my part, I actually laughed about that post, especially after finding out its a Mini racing team and from listening to arjay talk about rear spring rates on his RSX.

You lying bastard. I know you were "OMFGing", I could see it in the sentence structure.

While this is true, this thread is titled "Wheels for Racing", which leads me to believe the OP will be doing some curb hoppin' and paint swappin'. Just sayin'.

Then again, Ive seen some pretty high dollar wheels fail on track in spectacular fashion that wasnt realated to either item mentioned above. The short and the long of it is, I would buy whatever I could afford to replace, because at some point (again, assuming the OP is really using them for honest-to-xenu racing and not working on HPDE 1 champion) someone is going to hit you, punt you, rub you or force you into the grass, across a curb or into a very large immovable object, and your nice pimpy wheel that you paid $texas for becomes a paperweight.

I've owned and abused a bunch of RPF1s myself, and have been in close contact with dozens of autocrossed/ track day-ed sets over the years, and have never, EVER heard of someone cracking one. In fact, the only bent RPF1s I've seen were on a THOROUGHLY wrecked S2000 that went end over end through a gravel trap. You couldn't possibly choose a tougher wheel.

The way RSR customers drives those minis is a stark contrast to how the same driver treats his Vette in NASATX, while he's racing it. If I'm racing a rented car, and paid $25k to do it, I'm going to eat the unreasonably sized curbs, I'm going to burn-out on the curbing, and I'm going to "jump stuff" on every lap, not just the ones that count.

I can see hustlers next post in his build thread...I jumped a curb...do I need new 6ULs? FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

You understand that all of TXMC is armed, right? Tone down the muthaf---in disrespect.

Agreed.....
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Very glad mine gave up at autocross and not turn 1 at TWS..


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DSC00032 by Sixace, on Flickr

is that a motorcycle club?:rofl: ;)

I live in the south, we all got guns.

Those boys in TX must -----foot their Corvettes around. :rofl:

I can assure that the Mid-A and SE crowd certainly dont based on the amount of paint and rubber Ive seen traded in one afternoon. That definitely extends to SM and SE30 crowds too. You know its bad when they tell you in the drivers meeting before the race to knock off the bumping and banging. :rofl:

At least those can be fixed.

Has Kaiser seen those? I imagine they'd like to.

is running a staggered setup not suggested?

What benefit would it have? Wicked good understeer?

tire rotations would be easier lol. What about if I run 4 different sizes of tires, so I can always have more grip turning right...sounds better since most turns are right handers on a CW circuit.

ScottFW said big brakes like these (http://flyinmiata.com/index.php?dept...5%20%201990-93) wont fit on RPF1's, is there any more info on that

lol. just was curious. since others cars run staggered setups. i have a staggered set of 6ULs from my old car, is it really worth going through the trouble of selling a pair to have matching sizes all around.

Not sure about those in particular, but the 11.75" won't fit for sure. As for more info...well caliper hits the wheel, sometimes a spacer will help it fit (ie 5mm spacer on 6UL 15x8/9 to fit the 11.75 BBK). I think some quick searching should be able to answer you on the FM kit.


I think so. Most cars that come staggered from factory...well there is a theory about that, its an insurance thing for the car manufacturers. An attempt to cause the last bit of fun-killing understeer to save people from smashing their car into a guard rail or tree, you could say. With that said, some race cars/teams run staggered setups, I cannot really answer for that. Maybe a series requirement, maybe something else.

I was always told "dont do it for racing in a miata"

To share what I have seen, tracking anything from a miata up to a corvette, a square setup is still best for performance. Maybe in the world beyond 500 hp, staggered is helpful, but I don't know.

yea me too. but i wonder if it would be a noticeable difference if the same size tire was ran all the way around but staggered rims size.

dude are you trying to convince a chick to sleep you?? No means No damn it. Or do it and post about it.

Stop posting about it and do it.

i will k thanx

Why can't you type like an adult?

Omg stag FML

----ing +1...12 posts later.

Aren't they 14"? If they are, that's your issue.

What setup are you running? 7.5 and 8s? If it's something like that with only a half inch difference, I'd honestly run the same tires on all four and call it good, but my laziness is second only to Scott's.

I was on my phone and at work. Just trying to reply quickly. Since i noticed i was asking the same thing multiple times. and not taking other's advice. my bad if i thread jacked.

and 7s and 9s

^hahaha, what the :robert:
:nuts:

Hmm. If it was a half inch or even a one inch difference, I'd say use it. But I wouldn't use that setup. 205s are the biggest that should be run on the 7s, and 205s shouldn't be ran on the 9s.

Post in the classifieds (when you have enough posts), see if someone wants two used 6uls, if I were in the market for 6uls I'd do it to save a few bucks.

I've learned never to take people seriously with screen names including words such as but not limited to: kid, canyon, drift, XxxX, Z added to the end of any normal English word, touge, hero hmm I guess that about sums it up.

What you're telling me is that you're not a fan of Purple Rain?

Not sure if you guys can tell from the pic here but there's not enough room to fit a business card between the caliper and the inside of the rim on these 17x9's I've got on my RSX.....

thats nice brah, What does that have to do with this thread?

There was talk of rpf1 clearances and just showing how tight they are on other applications....the wider you go the tighter they get on your brake clearances, more than other rims. Although I suppose they only come in 15x7 for the miata, as far as a size to get decent sized brakes in and there are much better rims than 15x7 rpf1's for grip on the miata.

You think someone on a Miata forum wants to know if the Chinese calipers on your shitbox fit inside 17" RSX wheel?