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Old 01-05-2015, 11:49 PM   #1
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Has anyone ever used the 4age (mr2) supercharger on a miata? My friend has a one laying around and im thinking of using it instead of turbocharging my 1.6L. Its slightly easier to work with instead of dealing with the usual turbocharging method. It also has a electric clutch on it so I can engage it if I want it in sport mode
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Here is a pic of it, its called SC12, There is also an SC14 but that comes with bigger motors etc

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Its slightly easier to work with instead of dealing with the usual turbocharging method.
How so?
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Its slightly easier to work with instead of dealing with the usual turbocharging method.
Please tell us more. You do realize this is miataturbo.net and not MiataSC12blowersareeasier.com, right?
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Please tell us more. You do realize this is miataturbo.net and not MiataSC12blowersareeasier.com, right?
why the is there a supercharger discussion area then huh? and supercharging your just dealing with brackets, belt, pulley and piping. No exhaust, oil, water lines, manifold etc
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The only advantages I can think of is that unit does make boost either way it spins, so you can adapt it fairly easily (relatively speaking) to most motors, and I suppose an electric clutch might lend itself towards being more easily adapted into a twin charged set up. Twin charging is a massive headache, and doesn't net much at all, so it's a moot point.

What everyone is trying to tell you is that there's better options out there, even among superchargers. I think that unit doesn't do a whole lot more than your typical M45. For the amount of fab it would probably take to make that thing work, you could take the same amount of effort and get a much better power making system for your hassle. If you think installing a turbo/existing turbo system is too complex, I don't see how custom fitting that thing would be much more simple.
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supercharging your just dealing with brackets, belt, pulley and piping. No exhaust, oil, water lines, manifold etc
Sure, sounds easy! As opposed to piecing together a kit/setup that's been pretty much proven out on a 1.6L for a few years. Depending on the setup you don't need water anyway and the oil lines have been pretty well documented.

BUT, if I was going to persist in SC a 1.6L I'd likely stick with the MP45 because;

1. I can buy a used kit fairly easily with brackets and everything else ready to go.
2. The Eaton SC is a bit more efficient than the SC12 in rotor style i.e. HEAT so count on intercooler like the stock Toyota.
3. The SC12, from your picture at least, looks to use a 5 rib belt which good luck finding a pulley or you could fudge it and use a 4 rib belt and hope it stays in the track.
4. The SC12 is a PITA to rebuild (link for you; SC12 service guide | Matrix Garage ) but doable at least.
5. I don't consider the electric clutch to be a 'good thing' especially as you think it's much easier to go SC. Just another thing to make work...
6. IIRC, the SC12 in stockish form was 8PSI which means you'll either need to **** with pulleys to slow it down or put on some form of engine management right from the start.

But hey, it's your car. I wouldn't count on a lot of support from this site. You'd probably be looking at 150-160hp (? a guess) with a lot of bullshit from the SC12 or fairly close to 180-190 with a turbo (I don't own a 1.6L so just a guess on my part... Easy to look at other builds though).
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The only advantages I can think of is that unit does make boost either way it spins, so you can adapt it fairly easily (relatively speaking) to most motors, and I suppose an electric clutch might lend itself towards being more easily adapted into a twin charged set up. Twin charging is a massive headache, and doesn't net much at all, so it's a moot point.

What everyone is trying to tell you is that there's better options out there, even among superchargers. I think that unit doesn't do a whole lot more than your typical M45. For the amount of fab it would probably take to make that thing work, you could take the same amount of effort and get a much better power making system for your hassle. If you think installing a turbo/existing turbo system is too complex, I don't see how custom fitting that thing would be much more simple.
I wish there was more guys like you here.

Only reason I wanted to know because the supercharger is for free instead of gathering bunch of stuff for the turbo setup. Looks like im still going through the turbo charging method, I already got an td04hl-15t turbo from a saab, 12:1 fmu, mr2 intercooler and a t2 flange (to make my own mani if I can't find one). Still looking for a voodoo box so I dont have to use the fmu and a t2 manifold.

Im still gonna see if I can mount the supercharger because making mounts wont be that hard since I got a limited supply of angle iron etc at my old work place and some at the body shop. Its just I gotta see if the belts will line up and that they are the right size.
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There's no such thing as a free supercharger.
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There's no such thing as a free supercharger.
i know a guy that builds 4agte motors and he has one hes gonna give me along with piping etc for free.
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You're so dense you didn't even get what he was talking about.

Also see: there is no such thing as a free turbo.
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Have fun making all custom **** for essentially zero power gains.

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Yes leafy..

Yeah the SC12 will make 150whp pretty easy but the brackets etc.. I wouldnt do it.
Ive done some SC12 and SC14 stuff including a twincharged setup with a GTX3076r, but in general wouldnt recommend it.

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Sure, sounds easy! As opposed to piecing together a kit/setup that's been pretty much proven out on a 1.6L for a few years. Depending on the setup you don't need water anyway and the oil lines have been pretty well documented.

BUT, if I was going to persist in SC a 1.6L I'd likely stick with the MP45 because;

1. I can buy a used kit fairly easily with brackets and everything else ready to go.
2. The Eaton SC is a bit more efficient than the SC12 in rotor style i.e. HEAT so count on intercooler like the stock Toyota.
3. The SC12, from your picture at least, looks to use a 5 rib belt which good luck finding a pulley or you could fudge it and use a 4 rib belt and hope it stays in the track.
4. The SC12 is a PITA to rebuild (link for you; SC12 service guide | Matrix Garage ) but doable at least.
5. I don't consider the electric clutch to be a 'good thing' especially as you think it's much easier to go SC. Just another thing to make work...
6. IIRC, the SC12 in stockish form was 8PSI which means you'll either need to **** with pulleys to slow it down or put on some form of engine management right from the start.

But hey, it's your car. I wouldn't count on a lot of support from this site. You'd probably be looking at 150-160hp (? a guess) with a lot of bullshit from the SC12 or fairly close to 180-190 with a turbo (I don't own a 1.6L so just a guess on my part... Easy to look at other builds though).


This is really the best response he got. Many of the "answers" to his questions weren't really all that helpful. We're all in this together, just because your face & identity are hidden doesn't give you a license to be rude and/or disrespectful. The guy simply asked a question and hoped for an intelligent answer. He got a bunch of buttpaste & a very few real answers.
Hey, if you think it's a bad idea, tell him why. Don't just dump your "opinions". If you want that kind of response when YOU are looking for an answer, go to a Nissan forum.
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