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drgoodwrench 02-21-2009 01:39 AM

Rotrex anyone?
 
Oscar Jackson, who started Jackson racing, then sold it to Moss Motors, is now selling the Rotrex SC. Has anyone put one of these SC's in their car ?
http://www.papdoc.gr/photos/rotrex/rotrex1600_2.jpg

18psi 02-21-2009 01:42 AM

I just dont see the point in putting any supercharger on our cars when turbo's are so cheap

drgoodwrench 02-22-2009 06:35 PM

Miata Rotrex You Tube Dyno Video
 

cueball1 02-22-2009 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 371825)
I just dont see the point in putting any supercharger on our cars when turbo's are so cheap


The point is to make less power for more money! Don't you get it?!?

183hp at 10psi? I made 241 on a Mustang dyno at 10.5 psi with my BEGI S4 system.

minime 03-31-2009 03:11 PM

I got a ride in the Rotrex car @ Miatas@MRLS and it pulls VERY nicely - WAY stronger than the JRSC and more than the FFSC. Of course it was intercooled, but it was still very impressive (and quiet if that matters to you). It would be my first choice for supercharging a 99-05 and I might end up going that route after I swap out my LE's 1.6 for the '99 I have sitting in my backyard :)

Braineack 03-31-2009 03:49 PM

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Talk to Emilio.


here's my rotrex:

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ps. not really :giggle:


But here's the reason that for most intents and purposes superchargers are FTL:

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kotomile 03-31-2009 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by minime (Post 388995)
I got a ride in the Rotrex car @ Miatas@MRLS and it pulls VERY nicely - WAY stronger than the JRSC and more than the FFSC. Of course it was intercooled, but it was still very impressive (and quiet if that matters to you). It would be my first choice for supercharging a 99-05 and I might end up going that route after I swap out my LE's 1.6 for the '99 I have sitting in my backyard :)


Impressive, yes, quiet, no. It was just about the only car breaking the LS sound rules. Very fast though, I rode with Savington for a few laps chasing that thing.

minime 03-31-2009 04:46 PM

I meant the blower sound and the reason his exhaust was so loud was just that - his exhaust.

kotomile 03-31-2009 05:01 PM

Ahh, gotcha.

drgoodwrench 04-12-2009 02:51 PM

The graphs show the exact reason why I have been working with Oscar to change the way SC boost is managed. We have come up with a simple way to improve "spool up" dramatically while still limiting top end boost to a reasonable number. I will post some graphs soon.
I put 600 miles on the test car at California Speedway over three days, with the only problem occuring under high lateral G load all the fuel went to the right side of the stock tank (only 1/8th on the gauge when level), and we fueled starved under full boost!! Detonated the spark plug electrode and insulator into a bizzilion pieces.
Will drop a fresh crate motor in and be back at Buttonwillow for a three hour endurance race at the end of this month for further testing, but this time with a fuel pressure safety kill loop in the ECU.

overdrawn 05-26-2009 10:46 PM

Rotrex
 
Yes, I have recently fitted A Rotrex 74,crank pulley 150mm SC pulley 95mm
intercooled,xede ecu.180rwhp
Cheers
OD

richyvrlimited 05-27-2009 02:55 AM

need pics ^^ :)

Laur3ns 05-27-2009 04:39 PM

Read the 949racing site: super reliable, upgrades for >200whp available, no overheating. If it is all true and I would start over it'd be a serious candidate.

vehicular 05-27-2009 04:57 PM

One of the local shops here in Huntsville does modified BRP MP62 kits on S2000s and Miatas, and they flat haul ass. In kill mode, the shop manager's Miata makes ~240 wheel and more torque, and it makes that torque from idle to redline. I've autocrossed it some, and the thing is simply disgusting. It'll blow 225/60-14 Hoosiers off at will at essentially any reasonable autocross speed.

That said, big power centrifugals are... a pain in the ass at best. My buddy's 97 Cobra makes 600+ through a C4 and a 9", and it was nigh un-drivable. It made so much power on the top end that you couldn't shift it fast enough with the 5 speed to stay out of the limiter, and every time you hit the limiter it would toss/ shred the belt (10 rib aftermarket setup, aftermarket tensioners, etc). For a medium power setup, I could see it being fun, but I can't ever see it being economical...

KPLAFIN 05-27-2009 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by vehicular (Post 412457)
One of the local shops here in Huntsville does modified BRP MP62 kits on S2000s and Miatas, and they flat haul ass. In kill mode, the shop manager's Miata makes ~240 wheel and more torque, and it makes that torque from idle to redline. I've autocrossed it some, and the thing is simply disgusting. It'll blow 225/60-14 Hoosiers off at will at essentially any reasonable autocross speed.

That said, big power centrifugals are... a pain in the ass at best. My buddy's 97 Cobra makes 600+ through a C4 and a 9", and it was nigh un-drivable. It made so much power on the top end that you couldn't shift it fast enough with the 5 speed to stay out of the limiter, and every time you hit the limiter it would toss/ shred the belt (10 rib aftermarket setup, aftermarket tensioners, etc). For a medium power setup, I could see it being fun, but I can't ever see it being economical...

Begin threadjack

You've got to give me a ride in your miata. Joined the army haven't seen mine in almost 7 months, and now I'm stationed at Redstone in Huntsville.

/threadjack.

overdrawn 05-27-2009 08:08 PM

did you get the photo
 
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overdrawn 05-27-2009 08:20 PM

Photo
 
Sorry about the poor photo if you go to Bullet Cars: Supercharger Kits & Installation, Performance Parts, and manufacturers of the Bullet V8 Supercar, while it is not my car, mine has 3 more KW's and more torque,you will find a better photo and dyno sheet.
OD

Rennkafer 05-28-2009 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by vehicular (Post 412457)
That said, big power centrifugals are... a pain in the ass at best. My buddy's 97 Cobra makes 600+ through a C4 and a 9", and it was nigh un-drivable. It made so much power on the top end that you couldn't shift it fast enough with the 5 speed to stay out of the limiter, and every time you hit the limiter it would toss/ shred the belt (10 rib aftermarket setup, aftermarket tensioners, etc). For a medium power setup, I could see it being fun, but I can't ever see it being economical...

Are you talking about 2 different transmission setups in your buddys Cobra? A C4 is a 3 speed automatic...

vehicular 05-28-2009 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by Rennkafer (Post 412839)
Are you talking about 2 different transmission setups in your buddys Cobra? A C4 is a 3 speed automatic...


Sorry I was unclear. He had a TKO600RR and a Spec twin plate, but swapped to the C4 so that he could get the thing down the street. When I say it was undriveable, I mean you could barely get it to the store without tossing the belt unless you absolutely babied it... It was a blast if it didn't belong to you, though, lol.

vehicular 05-28-2009 03:56 PM

BTW, we used a Rotrex on an FSAE engine project in ~2005, and while the engine package sucked, the blower sounded siiiiiick.


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