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Braineack 11-09-2014 02:57 PM

all TQ figures I'll ever state are at the wheels, since we dyno at the wheels and dont typically pull the motor to do so.

deezums 11-09-2014 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1181734)
I've seen the Exedy Stage 1 hold over 220tq fine.

I wouldn't get the Pro-kit one you linked, but the Stage 1.

I hate to be retardedly redundant, but stage 1 as in this feller here...

Exedy Racing Stage 1 Organic Clutch Kit 1990 1993 Mazda Miata 1 6L I4 DOHC B6 ZE | eBay

If it holds till rod breaking territory then slips and still drives mostly stock, I think I might like that thing. Seems a cheap choice with my stock FW...

Braineack 11-10-2014 07:40 AM

Not sure if it was a 1.8L or 1.6L clutch but I always recommend putting in a 1.8L sized clutch anyway--it will always hold more TQ all other things being equal.

It's $310 from the same seller. The FM STG1 is $350. and the ACT ZM2-HDSS is $460.

Dont see the 949 on their website anymore.

btabor 11-10-2014 08:50 AM

My car's previous owner had a 1.8 flywheel with oem clutch on my 1.6L JRSC, it lasted about 10000 miles and it started slipping. That was at 8psi

deezums 11-10-2014 11:19 AM

I need me a 1.8 FW still I guess. Ebay lists the 1.6 stage 1 at 210ftlbs, but everywhere else is 130ftlbs or so...

Getting back to FM prices again, may as well just do it right I guess.

shuiend 11-10-2014 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by deezums (Post 1181940)
I need me a 1.8 FW still I guess. Ebay lists the 1.6 stage 1 at 210ftlbs, but everywhere else is 130ftlbs or so...

Getting back to FM prices again, may as well just do it right I guess.

Yes do the clutch the right way, mostly because it is a PITA to pull the trans and replace the clutch after you go cheap and then something fucks up.

Braineack 11-10-2014 01:06 PM

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When you go from a 200mm ACT HD to a 215mm the TQ load goes from 195 to 245. That's about 20% better with the same level PP and clutch disc.

here's directly from Exedy:


Originally Posted by 1.6L STG1
Disc Size 200mm
Spline Teeth / Major Dia 22T / 24.3mm
Clamping Force/Load exerted (lbs) 1169
Disc Material Organic
Number of Disc Single
Type (Push/Pull) Push
Sprung Center (D-core) Yes
Clutch Torque 204
Torque Capacity at Wheels 131
Torque Capacity at Flywheel 163


Originally Posted by 1.8L STG1
Disc Size 215mm
Spline Teeth / Major Dia 22T / 24.3mm
Clamping Force/Load exerted (lbs) 1322
Disc Material Organic
Number of Disc Single
Type (Push/Pull) Push
Sprung Center (D-core) Yes
Clutch Torque 256
Torque Capacity at Wheels 164
Torque Capacity at Flywheel 204

a 20% increase in TQ as well.

I just wouldn't use a 1.6L sized clutch for boost unless you get a super heavy PP with higher clamping loads. If you look at the difference in the diaphragm springs, it's apparent why:

teeny tiny:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1415643121
vs.
large and in charge:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1415643121

Rallas 11-10-2014 01:11 PM

The light weight FX 4140 CHROMOLY FLYWHEEL is worth it. I have been running one with a 949 sport clutch for a month now and don't have any complaints. I would not cheap out on the clucth kit, but the flywheel works.

deezums 11-10-2014 02:30 PM

I'd like a light flywheel, and I'd order a ebay one, but I'm still thinking about trying to find a cheap stock 1.8 wheel. ~$400 bucks with the FM stage 1, hopefully.

Braineack 11-10-2014 03:14 PM

there's like 20-40 of them avaiable for less than $40 on car-part.com

hi_im_sean 11-10-2014 07:19 PM

I have the lightweight chromoly f1 flywheel and track the shit out of it with no complaints. It's very easy to DD as well. It's one of the best mod I've done.

mx5venezuela 11-10-2014 07:38 PM

Interesting
 

Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1181974)
When you go from a 200mm ACT HD to a 215mm the TQ load goes from 195 to 245. That's about 20% better with the same level PP and clutch disc.

here's directly from Exedy:





a 20% increase in TQ as well.

I just wouldn't use a 1.6L sized clutch for boost unless you get a super heavy PP with higher clamping loads. If you look at the difference in the diaphragm springs, it's apparent why:

teeny tiny:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1415643121
vs.
large and in charge:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1415643121


:eek:



The new 1.8 flywheel is bolt on direct on 1.6 models?

Any problem with the starter or gearbox case?

Westernideal 07-01-2023 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by deezums (Post 1181940)
I need me a 1.8 FW still I guess. Ebay lists the 1.6 stage 1 at 210ftlbs, but everywhere else is 130ftlbs or so...

Getting back to FM prices again, may as well just do it right I guess.

130 at the wheel


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