5 lug miata
Just curious if anyone has converted their miata to 5 lugs all the way around. The reason Im asking is because I know alot of V8 guys change the rear ends out to something more heavy duty (assuming 5 lug). If it hasent been done, I was thinking about coming up with my own conversion for the front spindles at least.
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I see this question a lot. What I want to know is WHY? What is so fascinating about a 5 lug car.
Don't say it's because there are more 5 lug wheels on the market, as there's no shortage of 4x100. Don't say it's because 4 lug isn't strong. Unless you can show me failures. I'm yet to see any. Plenty of 3-400 horsepower turbo 4 bangers running hard on wide and sticky 4x100 set ups. Seems like a solution looking for a problem. |
I also don't see the need to do it with a miata. (Though I'm not trying to claim to be anything but a :noob:)
Maybe 5-lug would be useful if you had a really heavy car making huge torque? I have seen it done with CRXs/Civics/Integras though, but usually only because it makes it easier to swap in some of the brakes (or L33T trick Type-R wheels! :jerkit:) from the bigger Acura sedans and such. (Though I think in some cases you can just re-drill the rotors.) |
However, questioning this mod as per your power plant might not be a bad thought.
Knockoffs would really help with the look of you car with the engine being the beauty that it is. |
I guess you can call me old school, but I never cared for the looks of a 4 lug wheel. Personally I always felt 5 lugs looked better.
My question although was geared more towards people who change over to the Ford 8.8 rear ends which have 5 lugs. Matching rear 5 lugs rims with 4 lug fronts is not as easy. If your simply after advantages, how about larger rotors, different braking system. |
That def. would appeal to the "Monster" crowd with that kind of conversion.
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McCully Racing Motors (MRM) have done a couple Ford V8 swaps, but when looking at the pics they kepts the 4 lugs.
http://forum.miata.net/vb/attachment...chmentid=68568 |
5lug swaps are huge in the 240sx world.
Mainly due to the 300zx brake swap (although rotors can be re-drilled), ease of access (most s14's have 5lugs that bolt up to the s13's) and because yes, it is harder to find 4x 114mm wheels made by certain "good" companies. As for strength, i see it as unnecessary. 4x 100 FTW |
5-lug swaps are fucking useless, and nothing you say will convince anyone who has half a brain otherwise. All the reasons you are about to pull out of your ass are totally wrong, so just stop trying. I'm so fucking sick of this topic.
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he has a v12, might as well not stop at 4 lugs!
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v12 = 6lug swap.
here's why you dont need 5 lugs to run big brakes: http://www.y8s.com/miata/pictures/bigbrakes01.jpg |
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 317351)
5-lug swaps are fucking useless...All the reasons you are about to pull out of your ass are totally wrong[.]
The other reasons (strength, brake selection, wheel selection) are IMO weak. |
the v8 swap's guys don't use 5lug
the axle is customized to fit using the miata axle shaft and a the mustang axle shaft |
Originally Posted by Ben
(Post 317365)
Except of course if you do a motor swap and your rear hubs are 5 lug, and you want to make your fronts 5 lug too. That's actually a pretty good reason. :fawk:
There's just no reason to do it other than aesthetics. |
I agree. But hard core DIY guys who can't afford or don't want a commercial kit may pop out of the wood work with some crazy 5 lug axle madness.
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Perhaps I should have stated "Now that V8roadsters has shown the world what is possible..."
IOW, I don't think it matters what diff you are using- if you're going at it DIY, I'd think it'd be easier & cheaper to have a set of conversion half-axles made to plug the new diff into the old hubs, than to convert the car to 5 lug. |
The ONLY reason i can think of for myself is wheel selection. I like to run 17"s and any wheel i want in 8" or wider only has the right offset in 5-lug wheels.... and im NOT paying for a custom set of BBS/Volk/Work.....
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What fucking difference does a 5.0 Monster Miata make in the 4/5 lug debate?
http://www.tweakmy.net/images/stang.jpg This debate gets soooo old... Mustangs had 4 lugs for YEARS... Guys run 10s on 4 lugs in 3200 pound cars... Thats about 1000 pounds HEAVIER than a miata... A team of something like 17 engineers designed the miata and obviously felt like it didn't NEED 5 wheel studs, and four would be just fine and dandy. So why not, you know, Just leave it that way? |
Originally Posted by elesjuan
(Post 317697)
A team of something like 17 engineers designed the miata and obviously felt like it didn't NEED 5 wheel studs,
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Originally Posted by 240_to_miata_OWNER
(Post 317699)
only 17 guys engineered this car????????????????????????? no way :jerkit:
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Originally Posted by Brainsboy
(Post 317732)
17 japs = about 117 Gm techs
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lol japs rule
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5 lug swap
I am working on a 5 lug swap. It's not just to get the 5 lugs but also to have cheap bigger brakes with stuff I already have on hand (lots of Mustang parts and a trashed 88 RX7). My probable parts list is for the front is Ford 87ish Probe REAR hubs, 94-04 Mustang 11" V6/GT, rotors, FC RX7 Mazda 4 piston or 99-04 Mustang 2 piston V6/GT PBR calipers. I would like to use the Mazda calipers if possible but mounting and clearance issues may prevent it. The rear will probably be FC RX7 rotors, hubs and calipers.
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The v6 and gt mustangs have the same brakes? I woulda expected the v8 model to have bigger ones. It is a mustang though... :eek3:
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Brakes
Originally Posted by Phoenix
(Post 318323)
The v6 and gt mustangs have the same brakes? I woulda expected the v8 model to have bigger ones. It is a mustang though... :eek3:
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Do a search on M.net. Someone already found a direct interchange for larger rotors off a VW Corrado that have significantly larger diameter than stock miata brakes.. Really, its not worth a 5 lug anymore than its worth putting a stock N/A 13b in a miata...
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don't see a use in the 5 lug swap
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Originally Posted by Brainsboy
(Post 317278)
I guess you can call me old school, but I never cared for the looks of a 4 lug wheel. Personally I always felt 5 lugs looked better.
My question although was geared more towards people who change over to the Ford 8.8 rear ends which have 5 lugs. Matching rear 5 lugs rims with 4 lug fronts is not as easy. If your simply after advantages, how about larger rotors, different braking system. And I could pull the front wheels off the ground. |
Originally Posted by Brainsboy
(Post 317254)
Just curious if anyone has converted their miata to 5 lugs all the way around. The reason Im asking is because I know alot of V8 guys change the rear ends out to something more heavy duty (assuming 5 lug). If it hasent been done, I was thinking about coming up with my own conversion for the front spindles at least.
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Originally Posted by Joel_Shields
(Post 1605223)
I have you completely covered. Use NB calipers and brackets. 2002 Mazda protege hubs and rotors. The outer edge of the rotors need to be cut down 0.20" and a 0.25" spacer needs to go between the rotors and the hubs. The factory axle outers have the same splines. This will give you a 5x4.5 bolt pattern. Good luck.
This thread is nearly 13 fuckin' years old. Might be a new record. |
Originally Posted by Arca_ex
(Post 1605256)
This thread is nearly 13 fuckin' years old. Might be a new record.
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Joe Perez
I am dieing 🤣 that was awesome. |
Originally Posted by Joel_Shields
(Post 1605257)
Figured someone might be looking for a solution still. Instead of being negative I'll be helpful.
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Video on YouTube
There's a complete 5 lug conversion for the rear of a Miata on my YouTube channel Shields Automotive.
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To what extent has the 5 stud conversion been overtaken by the availability of stronger 4 stud hubs?
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Originally Posted by Gee Emm
(Post 1605983)
To what extent has the 5 stud conversion been overtaken by the availability of stronger 4 stud hubs?
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Nice sidestep you have there.
Let me rephrase that question. If (as seems the case) the stronger 4 stud options solve the broken hubs/wheel bearing issues of the stockers, what advantage over that does a 5 stud hub give me? |
Originally Posted by Gee Emm
(Post 1605991)
Nice sidestep you have there.
Let me rephrase that question. If (as seems the case) the stronger 4 stud options solve the broken hubs/wheel bearing issues of the stockers, what advantage over that does a 5 stud hub give me? |
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