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Old 07-21-2015, 04:28 PM   #41
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<p>I've heard good things about BC, but I'd be more inclined to go with a shock that's been designed and engineered specifically for the Miata.</p><p>I'd also personally never buy VMAXXXXXXXX.</p>
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The konis would be my choice in that case, quite expensive but u do get a lifetime guarantee if I remember correctly which makes u feel better when coughing up for them.
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<p>Have you used the konis? Most who put them on Miatas and have experience with other good suspension on Miatas find themselves unsatisfied with them. I do not have any personal experience with them.</p>
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<p>Have you used the konis? Most who put them on Miatas and have experience with other good suspension on Miatas find themselves unsatisfied with them. I do not have any personal experience with them.</p>
Some of the fastest STS cars in the country run a Koni setup.
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<p>Excellent. How do they ride, in a dual-duty setup? What kind of Konis are they, good 'ole Yellows?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The primary complaint I've heard about Koni Yellows on Miatas is harshness.</p>
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I have used them on my old ep82 starlet turbo which is completely different compared to a miata but I did love them, i also used blistiens on the same car but I didn't like them as much as the konis.the springs u use play a big part also.
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Vmax are pure scrap, did u ever use BC coilovers yourself, most likely not by the sounds of it, I used blistiens and konis on other cars and the can't be put down, if the op is moaning about money BC coils should do him, I laugh at vmax users.
yes I have.
they are pure "Made in Taiwan" crap that has raceland type of valving after only about a few months worth of use.

Do you have lap times showing that these don't suck or is your 1 pre-requisite for them: "my car still drives down the road"?

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I have used them on my old ep82 starlet turbo which is completely different compared to a miata but I did love them, i also used blistiens on the same car but I didn't like them as much as the konis.the springs u use play a big part also.
meaning your "experience" means crap, becuase they are actually great on other cars, and really suck on miata's. This is common knowledge. At least compared to what's available now (and not in the 90's)
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v-max = riceland with softer springs to hide the lack of any low speed damping, like at all.
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<p>Excellent. How do they ride, in a dual-duty setup? What kind of Konis are they, good 'ole Yellows?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The primary complaint I've heard about Koni Yellows on Miatas is harshness.</p>
The ride generally sucks. It's all a compromise at this price level. If we had no budget I would be on some Motons right now, or driving a Lotus.


They are usually just yellows, but they generally don't talk about any of their valving.
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<p>Budget bilsteins ride better and handle nearly as well, from what I've read. Until it's proven otherwise, that's what I'll continue to recommend for a budget setup.</p><p>Except... OP, buy the V8Roadsters coilovers and tell us how you like them.</p><p>I bet they're decent.</p>
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<p>Budget bilsteins ride better and handle nearly as well, from what I've read. Until it's proven otherwise, that's what I'll continue to recommend for a budget setup.</p><p>Except... OP, buy the V8Roadsters coilovers and tell us how you like them.</p><p>I bet they're decent.</p>
I have only driven in one car with a budget Bilstein setup on 800/500s, revalved, and they had schrader valves installed. It is equally as uncomfortable as a Koni setup and straight up sketchy to drive on the road. Any big bumps would upset that car to the point where you were fixing oversteer or going into understeer. This was with the largest RB tubular bar, 2554r setup, and 205 Federal RSRs (140tw). Maybe on a smooth track or something the car would turn good times. At the autocross and on the street it's nowhere near the front of the pack, though.

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<p>revalved by who?</p><p>I don't consider a revalved, 800/500 setup with the big bars and such as necessarily a budget setup. Maybe a budget extreme performance setup.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>For dual duty, I'm just talking about regular Bilsteins with GC springs and collars, running something like 500/350 rates.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>But whatever, OP seems to have checked out, ha.</p>
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<p>revalved by who?</p><p>I don't consider a revalved, 800/500 setup with the big bars and such as necessarily a budget setup. Maybe a budget extreme performance setup.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>For dual duty, I'm just talking about regular Bilsteins with GC springs and collars, running something like 500/350 rates.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>But whatever, OP seems to have checked out, ha.</p>
They were revalved by a guy on here, I think his name is Hindrick or Kindrick, something like that. Also I see people pop c-clips and have some coil bind issues with going budget Bilstein. I think some of that is user error though.
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this one guy at walmart revalved my showas they road so hard
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I'm still lurking. I just didn't have anything to contribute. I've been doing research in the meantime.

It mostly seems like a wasteland below 2 grand. Anything that is proven to be good by experts is $$$$ and it seems that the 800-1400 dollar range is full of potentially interesting setups... But also corner cutting, compromises and Chinese parts. Basically a minefield. It seems like 99 percent of the reviews are completely unhelpful- a mix of confirmation bias and cluelessness that results in identical reviews for Ricelands, Bilsteins, Konis, Feal, Vmaxx, etc.

I want a respectfully fast setup that handles r comps fine and that is not useless on the street due to brutal harshness or inability to soak up a bump without flying into a guardrail. Feal seems interesting in the 1.3k range, as do the v8 roadster set (based mostly on the reputations of the sellers). I'm going to have time to think on this while I pull the engine, so I'll continue to do research. Who knows, I might be able to bullshit my way into some Xidas.
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<p>^this guy.. I like this guy.</p>
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No kidding. I wanted Tecnas so damn bad. I currently have Vmaxx Sports. They are horrendous. Do not buy them.
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Wow, just pieced together the tecna story that happened while I was gone. Holy crap.
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