Breaking in a motor and a clutch at the same time
#1
Breaking in a motor and a clutch at the same time
Once again, not talking about a Miata, apologies. BUT, you guys tend to have some of the better pools of hands on experience out of the forums i'm on. (Man, what's that smell?)
Ok so. I like to break in my motors how i'm going to drive them. So in this case, fairly hard.
Unfortunately, the clutch that should have been broken in on my last ill-fated engine, only got 1 mile of use. I was advised by the manufacturer that it needed 500-750 miles of mixed driving for break in before i was clear to give it the beans.
What do i do in this case? Break in motor by doing slow high load pulls at low boost levels? Then go back and hope i didn't **** up the clutch and resume clutch break in?
Ok so. I like to break in my motors how i'm going to drive them. So in this case, fairly hard.
Unfortunately, the clutch that should have been broken in on my last ill-fated engine, only got 1 mile of use. I was advised by the manufacturer that it needed 500-750 miles of mixed driving for break in before i was clear to give it the beans.
What do i do in this case? Break in motor by doing slow high load pulls at low boost levels? Then go back and hope i didn't **** up the clutch and resume clutch break in?
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Type of clutch?
I "broke in" my clutch and engine at the same way. Using your technique.
>get a few miles on it, make sure it's not going to **** oil or coolant once it warms up and vibrates a little.
>Find freeway onramp, datalog, and run her through the gears.
>Turn up boost eventually.
I remember doing a WOT pull within about 30 miles... I'm not saying i did any consistent pulls, launches, or flat foot shifting though. That came after about 300 miles.
This was on a FM clutch, so organic non pucked.
Working fine as of now.
I "broke in" my clutch and engine at the same way. Using your technique.
>get a few miles on it, make sure it's not going to **** oil or coolant once it warms up and vibrates a little.
>Find freeway onramp, datalog, and run her through the gears.
>Turn up boost eventually.
I remember doing a WOT pull within about 30 miles... I'm not saying i did any consistent pulls, launches, or flat foot shifting though. That came after about 300 miles.
This was on a FM clutch, so organic non pucked.
Working fine as of now.
#4
South Bend was pretty adamant that this clutch needed to be broken in, and i took them at their word considering they specifically told me that my prior clutch did NOT need to be broken in.
It's a 4 puck rated in the neighborhood of 550ftlbs. It's not going to be super fun to drive in the first place, i'd just as soon do everything i can to avoid screwing up the driveability further.
Type of clutch?
I "broke in" my clutch and engine at the same way. Using your technique.
>get a few miles on it, make sure it's not going to **** oil or coolant once it warms up and vibrates a little.
>Find freeway onramp, datalog, and run her through the gears.
>Turn up boost eventually.
I remember doing a WOT pull within about 30 miles... I'm not saying i did any consistent pulls, launches, or flat foot shifting though. That came after about 300 miles.
This was on a FM clutch, so organic non pucked.
Working fine as of now.
I "broke in" my clutch and engine at the same way. Using your technique.
>get a few miles on it, make sure it's not going to **** oil or coolant once it warms up and vibrates a little.
>Find freeway onramp, datalog, and run her through the gears.
>Turn up boost eventually.
I remember doing a WOT pull within about 30 miles... I'm not saying i did any consistent pulls, launches, or flat foot shifting though. That came after about 300 miles.
This was on a FM clutch, so organic non pucked.
Working fine as of now.
#6
I'm not worried about it. Nor does it matter, since i don't really have a choice of a solid disc clutch that will hold this. Driveability didn't seem like it was going to suck horribly bad in the 1 mile i drove it on the old motor. Bear in mind this is a very front heavy car with no power steering or a/c in the first place.
#8
the biggest thing teh engine needs during breakin is vacuum and varying rpm
the biggest thing a clutch needs during breakin is not to be burnt/glazed
both are fairly easy to accomplish together. I don't break in any of my motors by beating the crap out of them. Dont' care what anyone says
the biggest thing a clutch needs during breakin is not to be burnt/glazed
both are fairly easy to accomplish together. I don't break in any of my motors by beating the crap out of them. Dont' care what anyone says
Last edited by 18psi; 01-14-2014 at 11:20 PM.
#10
Hold the waste gate completely open during motor break in. You will maybe still develop a little boost, ideally no more than 4 psi. 4th or 5th accelerating to what rpm you feel comfortable with (for pressure on top of the rings) then let off the gas engine de-cell (vacuum)back down to less than 2k rpm, repeat about 10-12 times. 90+% of the ring seating is done. you are loading the rings both ways. This shouldn't be any issues for the clutch disk material either. I recommend Brad Penn break in oil.
#13
Sorry was on my phone earlier.
"No boost" doesn't happen on the MX6.
Yeah, thinking about breaking in on the dyno for this reason.
Traction, etc. Might have to use the dyno.
I usually try to run damn near to redline during break in. 4th gear would be about 120mph in this case, 5th gear around 160. EEK!
If someone could tell me how to wire open a Turbosmart Ultragate, that'd be awesome.
the biggest thing teh engine needs during breakin is vacuum and varying rpm
the biggest thing a clutch needs during breakin is not to be burnt/glazed
both are fairly easy to accomplish together. I don't break in any of my motors by beating the crap out of them. Dont' care what anyone says
the biggest thing a clutch needs during breakin is not to be burnt/glazed
both are fairly easy to accomplish together. I don't break in any of my motors by beating the crap out of them. Dont' care what anyone says
Hold the waste gate completely open during motor break in. You will maybe still develop a little boost, ideally no more than 4 psi. 4th or 5th accelerating to what rpm you feel comfortable with (for pressure on top of the rings) then let off the gas engine de-cell (vacuum)back down to less than 2k rpm, repeat about 10-12 times. 90+% of the ring seating is done. you are loading the rings both ways. This shouldn't be any issues for the clutch disk material either. I recommend Brad Penn break in oil.
If someone could tell me how to wire open a Turbosmart Ultragate, that'd be awesome.
#18
Don't know if i have a full up to date build thread anywhere. Like i said, it's not a Miata and the mx6/probe forums blow entire herds of chimp, so i tend to not bother telling the plebs what i'm doing.