Budget Suspension
 

Anyone have any suggestions for a budget suspension? How are the "EBAY" coilovers? Anyone have any experience with them? I was thinking Bilisteins and sleeves, then getting some decent springs? What are you setups?

Type "Suspension Hierarchy" into the search box and win at life.

You have started 4 threads and not one is an intro thread. Go here and de-noob thyself Meet and Greet - Miata Turbo Forum - Turbo Kitten is watching you test compression. or prepare for some serious abuse.

bilsteins, ebay coilover kit with 450/350, isc rear hats and nb front, big front sway bar. Start another stupid thread and get banned noob.

Jacob....i'm gonna be nice, only because i don't wanna get booted. HOWEVER, what i was looking for was some CONSTRUCTIVE feedback (and you seem to be pretty useless!). You see, i could just go buy the most expensive thing out there, that everyone says is the greatest, BUT i'm looking for something that suits MY needs and matches my skills. I know i'm not a Pro driver (though i do know quite a few of them) and honestly, equipment only accounts for so much. What i was looking for was a setup that was not super expensive. I know often times, a "cheaper" product can perform ALMOST as well as a much more expensive product. In my case, spending an additional $500+ for something that is name brand, may not be necessary. I was looking for feedback from people that have used the product i was questioning, or a similar product. Again, thanks for taking the 10 seconds to respond, but next time, find something more constructive to write. Thanks

Either ask your "pro" bros or learn to search what the people here are running. You seem to know your strengths and what you are looking for so I really don't see the question here.....You ask us to list our setups, which has been done in a hundred other threads. Pick someone who seems to drive the same as you and read their build thread. Truth is, no one can tell you what YOU are looking for. If you do search, you will see that most people here agree the quality of Bilsteins are hard to beat. For a budget setup the ebay sleeve and revalved bilsteins are as good as most high dollar matched suspensions. Personally, I LOVE my Ohlins.....but since I loved my first set so much I bought the last set available in the USA for my second car so unless you find them on the shelf somewhere or used then my setup does you no good.

It was nice knowing you.....

I like the NB bilstein sports with a with eBay sleeves swap out the springs for the rates you want any get some Tophats of your choice. Rides well and handles track abuse like a champ

STFU and search.

You are not a unique snowflake. Your needs are not different. You are wasting your time asking a question that has been answered a billion times.

Also the guy who you bitched at for not being constructive gave you the exact answer you will find if you search. Congrats, you insulted the only helpful person in this thread.

HEY!!!! I was helpful.....wasn't I?

I'm running Megan EZ streets. I bought them a while back and they are still holding strong. Best 680 dollar coil over you can buy. Oh and welcome to the forum. Do a search next time coil over threads are a dime a dozen or go back to CR.

fm vmaxx > megan but thats just, like, my opinion man.

well, i guess i got what i asked for, and i'm man enough to admit.....i asked a rather vague question. I was just a little peeved at how quickly some people are to flame on others. I thought the point of a forum was to help others. When i see posts that i feel are not worth answering, i do that.....but there is no need to stir stuff up. To all those that chimed in with their experiences or reccomendations.....thank you!

I'm riding on "I tuned some dudes car and he gave me '99 10 ae bilsteins that I'm using with FM springs". Does that qualify as budget?

Oh you were but Jake spoon fed him.

Brony, you're pretty much hitting the Trifecta of Douchey Entitled Noob behavior; First you ask a vague question which not only has been discussed in a *few* threads already, but in fact has an entire, quite comprehensive section of the forum dedicated to the subject. Then you argue with people who attempt to help you, and insult them to boot. Nice.

Think of it this way; Interweb Forums are sort of the equivalent of a bunch of people *who all know each other* standing around in a parking lot talking. Would you actually go barging into the middle of the group and not only demand that they Walk You Through Life, but then act like an asshat to the one or two people who don't just ignore your rude behavior? I mean, almost 100 views on the thread and only 12 replies, and most of them telling you that you have bad manners? Do the math Homie; the majority of people just read your first post and dismissed you as a waste of time.

And furthermore, do you really think that anybody would pay hundreds or thousands more for quality parts when some jackbag Taiwanese eBay shit would perform just as well, or even nearly quite as well? Seriously? Because we're all retarded and like to piss away money for labels that will impress somebody, somewhere? Wrong forum Skippy. That's some ClubChoadster shit.

If you haven't been banned already, this would be a good time to go and write an intro thread. It's just basic etiquette.

truth.org

This is going to go great i'm sure.

lol i totally understand where the antagonism comes from but still, damn. You more experienced guys on this forum are pretty harsh to noobs. I know noobs are pretty annoying since most tend to want people to walk them through everything but damn, its a feeding frenzy when one of these dudes pop up. Some straight elitism is shown but i kinda get why it happens.The ban hammer is always menacingly thrown around. Just pointing out there's a much higher standards for compliance and paying your dues than other forums, definitely not something i expected from miata enthusiasts after switching brands. I hope i dont get negative props or get ban just for expressing this though, seriously.

People don't get banned for unpopular opinions. They get banned for being stupid, raging, or refusing to listen while spewing bullshit. You may get a neg prop or two but props don't mean shit.

ohh, my mistake. I thought the props were indications of how close you were to getting banned.

There's actually a pretty low amount of bans on this forum. Most just rage quit. If they rage quit, it's pretty indicative that THEY'RE the problem.


So ask yourself: Are you a problem?

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Mike, I don't know how much better I could have answered your stupid question that has been answered 1000 times. I felt you didn't even deserve a reply but I was nice enough to take thirty seconds and give you the COMPLETE list of everything you need to run a cheap ebay spring/collar setup. You sure are pissy for a 30 year old man. If we let the boards get over run with newbs then you would have 20 replies all not worth anything. Instead at MT.net you will normally get lucky and get one golden post by an experienced veteran. We have done all the leg work for you, we feel you should invest the 30 seconds to search for our posts. Below sums up my thoughts posted by the most knowledgeable miata track guy in the country, who luckily posts here regularly.

OP, go check out miata.net. There's two or three new threads started each week asking "what suspension should I get?" Fortunately, there's a handful of regulars that live just to answer the same questions over and over. It validates their existence; everyone wins! It's exactly what you're looking for while, evidently, miataturbo.net is not.

The thing is, we like this place the way it is and aren't interested in changing it to suit your needs. Seriously, would you walk into a bar and tell everyone there that you don't like them and then expect them to become the people you wish they were? Just for you? That would take a pretty childish view of the world.

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Ha! I got negative props for my comment on Megans. Seriously, Ive used several different coilovers and these were in my opinion the best bang for the buck. Yeah they are megans but unless you have tried them fuck off. I had v max and they were good but I like how easy the megans were to adjust. They can be had for 640 shipped. Slightly less then the v max. Its just my opinion.

And you felt so strongly about this negative prop that you decided you needed to make a post explaining why you didn't deserve it?

http://www.troll.me/images/brick-tam...-you-i-try.jpg

Argggg.... i wish i could see that image.

DAMN YOU WEBSENSE.

I neg propped your mom last night.

My moms dead you sick bastard.

she necroposted...

:giggle:

thank you, thank you!


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Up to -3 YaY! Not sure if its cause of what I said or because I keep bitchin about negitive props

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1382640799

how can a moderator on an online forum be abusive?

Ha I remember seeing this. There has been several people with that I have ignored advice due to negative props. Mostly in the -30s. I feel like I kind of thread jacked but to be quite honest it never really was much of a thread to begin with.

Why did you ignore them though? Was it the neg props, or because they made a questionable statement with nothing to back it up? Something like "Megans are the best cheap coilover you can buy" and then not saying anything to back that statement or explain your reasoning.

see post 26

Still doesn't explain anything.

The best for what? Street? Track? Autocross? Why were the EZs better? Faster lap/autox times? More comfortable? More adjustable?

I'm not giving you shit for your vague answer, OP of this thread doesn't deserve better. But when you say that a shock that is heavily developed by a reputable Miata shop is not as good as one that is a Honda copy adjusted to fit the Miata without anything to back it up, you're probably gonna get downproped. This isn't M.net, we don't compare parts by how they make you feel, we do it with data.

I felt that there level of adjust ability was much easier than the vmax. Im not necessarily saying they are better or worse than the vmax comfort wise or at the track or autox. I just found it much easier to dial in dampening and height adjustment with the megans. The megans have plenty of suspension travel like the v max. Im not bashing FM I enjoy almost all their stuff and respect them. They have good reasoning for why the use vmax but that doesnt mean what works for them is going to necessarily work for me.

I still don't get it: what do you mean by level of adjustability?
The perches spin easier? LOL I mean seriously that's the only thing you "adjust"
The basic vmaxx doesn't have dampening adjustment, so you can't compare that
And most adjust height once, then never touch it again, so I still don't understand your statement.

It woulda been different if you said they were softer or more comfy (because cheaper dampers tend to have tiny/weak shock inserts hence why racelands actually feel fairly comfortable on the street vs the vmaxx, the dampers basically don't do anything more than stabilize the car after a bump) but you said level of adjustability.

The level of adjustability is easier. Duh.

It's not like some other systems where the levels are harder.

I was comparing the basic vmaxx fm sells thats what I originally had on my car. I have to adjust my ride height depending on if im going to the track or not cause the roads and speed bumps around the university I work at are really bad. The megans can get really stiff and somewhat soft if needed. I like being able to dial them in differently depending on the situation for instance when I go the the track stiffen them up and if I go to the strip I can soften the rear so it sags more when launching. Also after I installed the frame rails I had bad understeer than before, so I stiffened up the rear and it fixed it. Im not looking for Megan converts. Im the one driving on them and love them OP wanted to know budget suspension. Id say they are affordable and not bad. Any other technicalities you all would like to discuss of why I like them? Feel free to ask. I dont mind.

Ok. So you simply meant dampening adjustment vs no dampening adjustment. Fair enough, that's all I was trying to clarify.

For whatever its worth, I have driven on more suspensions than I care to list lol, and I'm very picky about comfort on the street. I am very happy with my FM stage1 (tokicos and FM springs) on setting 2, it is more comfortable than all the others I tried, like you I appreciate the adjustability of the dampening. Its like OE suspension on the crappy roads we have, and when I want to drive spiritedly I just set to 3 or 4 and enjoy

They're only about 100-200 more than the Vmaxx and the Megans, and are a good quality/brand product with an unlimited mile warranty

Your frame rails increased understeer? Oh that's bad news.

If you had posted that ^^^ in the first place, you probably wouldn't have been downpropped. Just sayin.

Like a KYB where you have to crawl under the car to stiffen it up.:facepalm:

I'm guessing you don't have the trunk liner in your car, because if you did that would be just as much a hassle as bending down to adjust the knob on the bottom of the shock

I took the little piece of silencing pad out of the passenger side behind the spare tire. Which I dont even have the spare in cause my insurance covers road side maintenance the car stays within a 10 mile radius cause I live next to 3 tracks. Work is 4 miles away too. Anyway the drivers side tray is in but I cut out a section out of the cover so my arm can fit and make adjustments. So All I do is pop the hood and open the trunk set my dampening and drive to the track so when I get there everything is settled in. Its my little system I have.

I'm guessing you didn't understand what i did there. :giggle:

Im not the first happens to a lot of people.

Is that like blowing your load super early the first time you take pills for ED?

IDK I tend to stay away from ED Pills cause their lack of dampening.

:giggle:

You do realize vmaxx are the raceland of the VW world and are just about slamming and all FM did was ask them to valve them a little different and have custom spring rates.

With that, I had Megan ezstreets on my MSM and now I have fm vmaxx xxtreme (xtreme means dampening adjustable) and the vmaxx extreme are much better and given the choice I would get fm vmaxx over ezstreets, however if I only had $600 I would put ezstreets on my car again. I havet decided if thy are worth the $400 differance or not.

Don't drink the FM koolaid and think they are some awesome elite coilovers.

All that Shaikh at FCM does to Bilsteins is valve them different and custom spring rates. Are the EZ streets valved specifically for Miatas?

No
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But my point was more on quality. Bilsteins are expected to be quality to begin with. Vmaxx not so much. But again, all that being said, I have vmaxx on my current ride over Megan's.

Ehhehhm vmax extremes which I never have tried and are more expensive. Just want to make sure that gets clarified. The entry level vmax are still slightly worse than the Megans.

There you go again making silly statements.

How are they worse?
Are the megans properly sprung for a miata? NO
Do the megans come with shock dyno plots? NO
Do they outhandle the vmaxx? NO

You have to understand that there's a BIG DIFFERENCE between buying a product backed by a company that posts legitimate testing and development information, has a proper warranty, and you can call them and talk to them about the product 5 days a week, vs some ching chong knockoff company that has no contact info whatsoever (cause its just re-distribution warehouse for the taiwan/china sweat shops) and even if you emailed them for shock dyno plots they wouldn't even know what you're talking about.

So yeah - FM might be using a knockoff or non-name brand product, but those "minor tweaks" in spring rate and valving make a huge difference for the vmaxx vs raceland or megan.