Originally Posted by wannafbody (Post 685571)

I'd guess they are along the lines of the Megan EZ streets but the dynos might prove me wrong.

Originally Posted by soloracer (Post 685513)

bang for buck

Originally Posted by hustler (Post 685632)

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._3777240_n.jpg

I'm not a shock dyno whore, but I like how they give no details about the shock, only his personal endorsement. "I have a box with $1000 of car parts, and I promise you it's good...so send me $1000 and you can have it."

Most of my business is with Subaru owners. "I make my money off people who's parents buy them shit."

Originally Posted by mcarp22 (Post 685599)

I don't expect we'll suddenly see good shock dynos from Taiwan.

Originally Posted by hustler (Post 685632)

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._3777240_n.jpg

I'm not a shock dyno whore, but I like how they give no details about the shock, only his personal endorsement. "I have a box with $1000 of car parts, and I promise you it's good...so send me $1000 and you can have it."

Most of my business is with Subaru owners. "I make my money off people who's parents buy them shit."

Originally Posted by scottyd (Post 685587)

Best bang for the buck? The Ricelands.
Best Shock? Xidas

Originally Posted by hustler (Post 685632)

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._3777240_n.jpg

I'm not a shock dyno whore, but I like how they give no details about the shock, only his personal endorsement. "I have a box with $1000 of car parts, and I promise you it's good...so send me $1000 and you can have it."

Most of my business is with Subaru owners. "I make my money off people who's parents buy them shit."

Originally Posted by jacob300zx (Post 685662)

Nope scottyd is correct.

Originally Posted by scottyd (Post 685637)

I just saw 2 sets of those. In my hands. As I installed them on 2 cars... :fawk:

Originally Posted by soloracer (Post 685666)

No, he took my meaning out of context, and that's what I'm taking exception to. Besides, Ricelands are no bang for any buck. Bang for buck would have to be a good product on some level and those are garbage. VMAXX might be in that category but for that kinda dough I'd just stick with the tried and true Tokicos, Konis, or Bilsteins. Im fact I'm only keeping AFCOs on my short list because my car is 99% street toy.

Originally Posted by wannafbody (Post 685773)

Club Sports are Xidas

Originally Posted by DGR Suspension (Post 4980955)

Hello everyone, looks like I'm the new kid in class. Here's a little bit about who we are, what we do, etc. We are a new US based company out of Baltimore, MD offering the DGR High Performance Suspension kit. Our team of engineers put a lot of R&D into the shocks to help them absorb road imperfections and provide superior ride comfort and control. This is achieved by using the best resources available to us, such as spherical bearings from KOYO in Japan (in our camber adjustable pillowballs), top seals from NOK in Japan and fork oil from IP in Italy. Most people would immediately think these are the same kits already out there, just repainted and a new logo on the box. You ocouldn't be more wrong. These are NOT a re-branded coilover kit currently on the market.

Our target audience is a buyer looking for the Full body adjustable coilover kit. The DGR High Performance Suspension is a 30 way adjustable mono-tube design. We are competing in the "mid-level" market. Miata kits come with a solid aluminum alloy top mount with high durometer rubber bushing. We are not always the low price leader, but our quality, our customer service and our warranty help us stand out.

DGR's unique feature is customizable kits, but we also offer a kit ready to go. Tell us if you want "soft" DD/ Auto-X - a combo of comfort and weekend warrior capability, or "hard" which is an all out track ready set up. The shocks are valved according to the set up you choose. My prior suspensions I used were from Tein and JIC and while those were high quality, they just were a bit too much for roads that are less than perfect here in the North East/ Mid-Atlantic. On my current DGR set up, I drive with my fronts at 10/30 and rears at 15/30. Feels just right. If I set it on 0/30 F/R the car is so nice on the highway. With the springs set with no pre-load or drop, I have full travel with the shocks shortened. I am sitting about 11.5" hub to fender up front and 12" hub to fender in rear with FULL travel. Slammed I know, it was more of a "how does it feel this low?"

The one thing that really sets DGR apart is our lifetime warranty. If you blow a shock, simply call me and let me know you need to make a claim. I gather your information and box up a shock and a return label. I just ask that you return the old shock with in seven days. I hate downtime, and I'm sure everyone else does too. I try to make this process as painless as possible. To expand into detail on our warranty process, Coil-Over Damper Kits come with LIFETIME worry-free manufacturer warranty which includes product defects and damage from a collision. Any modifications or abuse to the coil-over damper kits automatically voids the warranty on the damper kit. All warranty claims must be approved by our warranty department. After the first replacement, there will be a change to 6 months and if problem still persist, the warranty will be void for that shipment.

I'm looking forward to serving a lot of fellow Miata enthusiasts! Please let me know if you have any questions!

*Shock dynos of the "street" shock and "race" shock will be available in 1-2 weeks. I am having them 3rd party tested, not telling them who I am, or what they are other than "test these shocks for me."

I'll be offering a promo on these very very shortly (I just need to put my new computer desk together - and then I'll post up).

Originally Posted by wannafbody (Post 685773)

Club Sports are Xidas

Originally Posted by Doppelgänger (Post 685861)

I saw the DGR people trying to peddle their wears on CR and got royally torched. The threda is gone now but it was a clusterfuck worth reading and laughing at. In typical predictability, the "rep" tried to make them sound like a US developed and made product only to backpedal and say they were designed in the USA to finally admitting they he was just a US broker and that "the suspension is direct from the factory of a company who makes OEM suspension for many cars" and whatnot bullshits. Oh I wish it wasn't deleted...it was strange to see CR people calling straight bullshit on a generic product for once.

Originally Posted by revlimiter (Post 686113)

It was deleted from CR because of a sponsorship issue. They got about a month of free publicity and promised to become sponsors "on Feb 1st." Not sure why the magic date, but that was the promise. The thread was closed until they ponied up money for their publicity.

The date came and went. The thread was hidden while the mods talked about it. I'm kinda sad it was hidden, because it really was great to see CR guys call a suspension company out. I was amazed after all the raceland love.

So anyways, we were discussing it in the mod forum. One mod thought that the DGR guy's style of posting was amazingly similar to Russ from Chaser Aero. Always mentioning his accounting department and CFO? Strange. So, I started digging a little bit. I found...

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...php?p=33113096
and
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...72779729423928

and then I thought of doing a whois.
DGR Suspension is Russ who used to work for Chaser Aero. Russ then admitted this in the intro thread over at m.net.

Originally Posted by j_man

Quote:

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Originally Posted by DGR Suspension

That would require me shipping my laptop to Taiwan.

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ok, I see.
I guess the confusion came from the fact that both the web site and the the introduction plus the talks about dynos sound like a US suspension company with engineers, etc. is entering the market.

And now it turns out that this USA thing likely is mostly a single ex-Chaser Aero guy who is not an engineer/suspension specialist and just starting ordering existing kits from Taiwan and reselling those in USA. All the tech data you have so far is just the marketing papers you've read. The wait for the dyno graphs is because you don't own a dyno (correct?) and you've never even dynoed the shocks yet.

Originally Posted by revlimiter (Post 686113)

Posting

Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 686172)

At least Russ was smart to leave Chaser. So now he's trying something else, I don't see how that's really relevant.

Originally Posted by Animus21 (Post 686174)

He has been samefagging with his Chaseraero screen name to shill his DGR products, pretending to be unrelated to DGR. heres a quote, straight from the horses mouth, as ChaserAero.


"DGR is a new company on the market and figured I'd pass on my thoughts...I have a miata, but they serve almost everyone; especially Subaru. It's nice to see a good review, so I figured as a vendor (not of DGR though, there are a few) I'd pass this on...

I bought a set for my Miata, shipped super quick. They were on my door step before I could even ask for tracking info. I went with the softer "Street" set up (8k/ 5k springs)."

Originally Posted by Thucydides (Post 686247)

Here's another option in that price range. I don't know anything about them, but perhaps our friends on the other side of the pond can comment.

http://www.performance5.com/handling_suspension.asp

Originally Posted by wannafbody (Post 686337)

Those were designed by PHILMD and they are legit. Russ seems like a fraud.

Originally Posted by black jesus (Post 4988473)

It's good to see another monotube shock option on Miatas.

Originally Posted by DGR Suspension (Post 4988669)

Hey BJ - you wanna take a set for a test drive? :wave:

Originally Posted by black jesus (Post 4989280)

Thanks but I have to respectfully decline, AST already got my money and I'm not changing anything this season...I have to work on driving. I'm tired of these Exige-S, Coyote Mustangs, and a certain E46 beating-up on me. Thanks for the offer though.

Originally Posted by DGR Suspension (Post 4988317)

I have a local FD driver that required a very soft set up for his Z. He said you want a softer set up to help break traction easier.

Originally Posted by JayL (Post 686345)

I've been looking for a lower end coilover to replace my PSS coilovers for the past few months.

Originally Posted by TNTUBA (Post 686346)

Seen stories like this all over the internet. Recently with a header group buy on M3Forum.Net. Learned a VERY important lesson through other peoples pain. NEVER buy an unproven product unless you are willing to take the money it would cost, drop that money on the ground and set it on fire. After reading the guy's responses not even sure if I would take a set of these for free.

Originally Posted by hustler (Post 686340)

lol:
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showpost.p...9&postcount=56




It's really tough for me to play nice.

We are beating this guy up pretty bad, but if he has a clue, and he's ordering good valves and shim-stacks stacks it might not be a bad deal. However, I don't take chances with that kind of money...and I have a set of Tein twin-Flex that are about to go on my daily and make that my auto-x car.

Originally Posted by hustler (Post 686352)

I didn't feel the need to "try them out". I'm all for this guy making a ton of cash but trying to market and sell something without any research, any time on the street or track, no shock dyno (I hate to be that guy), and with generally no clue about suspension tuning...the cards are stacked against him. This is why companies like 949 and ABSURDflow will continue to crush anyone and everyone. These examples are not only deft professionals with knowledge and skill, but they are the face of American Entrepreneurialism. Both companies are rooted in America, have perfect customer service and product performance records, and integrity.

Originally Posted by soloracer (Post 686353)

Yeah, I read that right before I came back over and read this. I was worried about you for a minute; thought you might have actually gone soft on us.
Shoulda known better.

Originally Posted by TNTUBA (Post 686355)

Couldn't agree more. I have done a significant(for me) amount of business with 949 over the last year and a half and their service is second to none. At the $1,000 price point this guy's product better perform. So far I see an unproven damper, unproven valving, unproven coils being hocked by an unproven company with not a single bit of solid evidence to back up performance. I really don't think I would spend the 2 hours to swap them out just to try them if I was given a set. Even if you were able to try them for free why would you? Have you seen the new Hoosier prices for this year? No way I'm eating up a set of tires that cost more than these shocks just to "see how they work"

Originally Posted by hustler (Post 686351)

You'd be foolish to not buy Xida CS. They're another league for less than $2000. It's pretty entertaining when people look at the Traqmate log and ask if it's broken or needs calibration, lol.

Originally Posted by JayL (Post 686357)

I'm just not willing to spend close to $2000 for the suspension of my daily driver, at least not at the moment.

Originally Posted by Animus21 (Post 686174)

He has been samefagging with his Chaseraero screen name to shill his DGR products, pretending to be unrelated to DGR. heres a quote, straight from the horses mouth, as ChaserAero.


"DGR is a new company on the market and figured I'd pass on my thoughts...I have a miata, but they serve almost everyone; especially Subaru. It's nice to see a good review, so I figured as a vendor (not of DGR though, there are a few) I'd pass this on...

I bought a set for my Miata, shipped super quick. They were on my door step before I could even ask for tracking info. I went with the softer "Street" set up (8k/ 5k springs)."

Originally Posted by hustler (Post 686351)

You'd be foolish to not buy Xida CS. They're another league for less than $2000. It's pretty entertaining when people look at the Traqmate log and ask if it's broken or needs calibration, lol.

Originally Posted by dgmorr (Post 686378)

Are the Xida S with no helper spring better than Xida CS with helper spring and top hat? $220 difference iirc.

Originally Posted by dgmorr (Post 686378)

Will it make a even a n00b drive better?

Originally Posted by hustler (Post 686344)

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showpost.p...7&postcount=39

What?

Originally Posted by wannafbody (Post 686427)

It's confirmed, DGR is Russ.