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JDMPalace 04-29-2013 10:09 PM

Differential Type ??
 
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I was wondering if anyone know what type of diff I got here. It acts like open but it doesn't look like one. Is this Torsen ?? Thanks Sean

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1367287785

18psi 04-29-2013 10:10 PM

If it acts like an open it is an open.
Can't tell anything from pictures

David603 04-29-2013 10:15 PM

Torsen type 2 (NB)

JDMPalace 04-29-2013 10:17 PM

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Well, I never actually ran it so I'm not sure how it acts. But just by turning it using my half shafts I can turn one side freely like open. I was told by another person torsen acts like open when it's not under load.

Also most of opens I have seen looks like this,

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1367288226


I will take some better pictures to night.

David603 04-29-2013 10:20 PM

Na had

-Open
-Viscous
-Torsen type 1

Nb had

-Open
-Fuji
-Torsen type 2

You have a type 2

JDMPalace 04-29-2013 10:28 PM

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Cool, It's supposed to be torsen, but I was't sure since It was acting like that.

is it better than Fuji or not ??

And this one is fuji correct ?

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1367288924

David603 04-29-2013 10:36 PM

Torsen Type 1 and Type 2 will behave like an open diff without load

Don't know if it's better or worst, I've never driven the fuji but since the fuji is a clutch type it will probably need maintenance. The Torsen, on the other side, will not. I don't know the bias differences...

Yes this is a Fuji

JDMPalace 04-29-2013 11:51 PM

Cool Deal thanks.
Now gotta figure out a price for them, and put them for sale. They are too nice to take apart to install my 3.6 on them.

18psi 04-30-2013 08:14 AM

So you're gonna sell a diff without confirming what it is and how many miles it has, just based only on what it looks like?
What if its not a Torsen 2? What if its high miles? Or abused? Looks like you got it at pick-n-pull because it still has the tag on it, and are trying to flip it for a profit. Is that the case?

Ugh

graexodus 04-30-2013 01:33 PM

looks like you have yourself a type 2 torsen. should be 4.30 if from 99-03

Doppelgänger 04-30-2013 01:58 PM

99-02 6spd had a Torsen and a 3.9 gear.
04-05 6spd were 4.1
5spd cars had 4.3 IIRC

The T-F diff is not a full clutch type. It has a clutch cone and some torque sensing character to it, I do not know all of the details on it. S2Ks use the same T-F diff IIRC. Some were known to fail, but the T-F being a bad design is way over blown.

I don't know what you have now, but if you have a 3.6 R&P, the T2 would work just fine on it. What are you looking for that you'd rather not take that diff apart?

soviet 04-30-2013 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1006694)
So you're gonna sell a diff without confirming what it is and how many miles it has, just based only on what it looks like?
What if its not a Torsen 2? What if its high miles? Or abused? Looks like you got it at pick-n-pull because it still has the tag on it, and are trying to flip it for a profit. Is that the case?

Ugh

sounds like you're quite butthurt.

soviet 04-30-2013 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by Doppelgänger (Post 1006936)
99-02 6spd had a Torsen and a 3.9 gear.
04-05 6spd were 4.1
5spd cars had 4.3 IIRC

The T-F diff is not a full clutch type. It has a clutch cone and some torque sensing character to it, I do not know all of the details on it. S2Ks use the same T-F diff IIRC. Some were known to fail, but the T-F being a bad design is way over blown.

I don't know what you have now, but if you have a 3.6 R&P, the T2 would work just fine on it. What are you looking for that you'd rather not take that diff apart?

I have a T-F diff and don't have any issues with it.
Fae ran one for ages as well and the Ring & pinion broke before the diff.

If he didn't break it, it's bulletproof.

JDMPalace 04-30-2013 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1006694)
So you're gonna sell a diff without confirming what it is and how many miles it has, just based only on what it looks like?
What if its not a Torsen 2? What if its high miles? Or abused? Looks like you got it at pick-n-pull because it still has the tag on it, and are trying to flip it for a profit. Is that the case?

Ugh


I picked these up with the 6 speed swaps I got, one for my pitcrew and one for race project I'm building. I have an invoice showing the cars had 87K and 101K on them.I already picked up a 3.6 Gear setup from member here so no need to take a apart nice 3.9 setup and istall that specially since I'm using my 2 way. so don't just assume things sir. Thanks

JDMPalace 04-30-2013 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by soviet (Post 1006983)
I have a T-F diff and don't have any issues with it.
Fae ran one for ages as well and the Ring & pinion broke before the diff.

If he didn't break it, it's bulletproof.


Cool, Thanks.

I just wasn't sure what I got, and yard just says they are LSD and it's not like they open the diffs and see what's inside. They just go by the VIN number. I found out the hard way that I couldn't just install my 96 torsen in my 91 so I ended up getting complete package from them.

I have to take them apart and count the pinion to be sure if they are actually 3.9 or 4.3 since I only counted the ring and it's 43.

JDMPalace 04-30-2013 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by Doppelgänger (Post 1006936)
99-02 6spd had a Torsen and a 3.9 gear.
04-05 6spd were 4.1
5spd cars had 4.3 IIRC

The T-F diff is not a full clutch type. It has a clutch cone and some torque sensing character to it, I do not know all of the details on it. S2Ks use the same T-F diff IIRC. Some were known to fail, but the T-F being a bad design is way over blown.

I don't know what you have now, but if you have a 3.6 R&P, the T2 would work just fine on it. What are you looking for that you'd rather not take that diff apart?

I Picked up my 3.6 set from Samnavy here last year and never used them. I got a Cusco RS 2way so I'm going to swap both of them in a open diff since I have to pay someone to install the 3.6 properly.

Savington 04-30-2013 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1006694)
So you're gonna sell a diff without confirming what it is and how many miles it has, just based only on what it looks like?
What if its not a Torsen 2? What if its high miles? Or abused? Looks like you got it at pick-n-pull because it still has the tag on it, and are trying to flip it for a profit. Is that the case?

Ugh

Was the drugstore out of butt cream this morning?

18psi 04-30-2013 05:10 PM

yep. luckily your mom had some

Doppelgänger 05-01-2013 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by JDMPalace (Post 1006993)
I Picked up my 3.6 set from Samnavy here last year and never used them. I got a Cusco RS 2way so I'm going to swap both of them in a open diff since I have to pay someone to install the 3.6 properly.

Makes sense.


Originally Posted by soviet (Post 1006983)
I have a T-F diff and don't have any issues with it.
Fae ran one for ages as well and the Ring & pinion broke before the diff.

If he didn't break it, it's bulletproof.

I have no experience with the T-F really, only what I read about them. Maybe it was something about the early ones or something...maybe a servicing issue...I dunno. I just have the impression that the T-F wasn't as "desirable" as a TorSen. But I'm always up for learning new things.

18psi 05-01-2013 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by JDMPalace (Post 1006985)
..... so don't just assume things sir. Thanks

My apologies then. Thanks for the clarification


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