Front UCA Bushing Question
So I'm trying to swap out the front UCA bushings with offset ones to gain more camber. Of course the upper ball joint is not coming apart regardless of how much hammering I do on it. If I just pull the long bolt and rotate the control arm outward, can I get the bushings out of the arm while it's still on the car? They are the Energy Suspension bushings, not stock. I don't remember if I had to press them in or not...
If not, any tips on getting that ball joint out of the upright? |
You might be able to grt them out that way if you pull the shock as well, yeah. Otherwise, go to the auto store and rent a ball joint popper or get a pickle fork.
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Pickle fork if you need to, but I don't think the ES bushings are a press-fit so you should be able to get them out with the UCA still on the car.
YMMV |
Yes, but you will hate yourself after trying to press out ES bushings, press in delrin, ream out the derin to slide sleeves in, and drill the bushings for lockpins. A pickle fork and a new grease boot is way, way easier.
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Screw the pickle fork. 3/4" Forged Ball Joint Separator
No screwed up boot, no struggle. Just loosen the nut to the end and tap this thing on and give here a few cranks and they pop right out. Just disregard the instructions though, removing the nut completely results in getting a control arm shaped bruise when the arm rockets out under tension. |
Originally Posted by Leafy
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Screw the pickle fork. 3/4" Forged Ball Joint Separator
No screwed up boot, no struggle. Just loosen the nut to the end and tap this thing on and give here a few cranks and they pop right out. Just disregard the instructions though, removing the nut completely results in getting a control arm shaped bruise when the arm rockets out under tension. |
Originally Posted by Nate99
(Post 1277365)
Thanks dudes. I actually have one of these, but couldn't get a good hold on the bolt with it. Didn't think about using the nut also. :vash: I'll try that, then pickle fork.
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Got them both off - had to use the pickle fork on both though. I was starting to bend the Harbor Freight tool with the amount of force in the bolt...
One more question for you all: I bought the Whiteline offset bushings. Do I need to drill these for a zerk, and/or do I need to pin them in the UCA with a screw? These guys claim they do not need to be re-greased: Whiteline urethane spec miata offset bushings [006-KCA452] - $62.50 : Advanced Autosports, Miata Race Parts, Spec Miata and TRANS AM Race Car Sales, Service, Build & Rentals Support in Midwest |
Good luck installing those whiteline bushings. I've had a set in my garage sitting here for about a year or two and I had so much trouble installing them in my spare UCA set, I just set them to the side.
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Originally Posted by JSpeed6
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Good luck installing those whiteline bushings. I've had a set in my garage sitting here for about a year or two and I had so much trouble installing them in my spare UCA set, I just set them to the side.
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Black, no lip
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Originally Posted by Nate99
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Got them both off - had to use the pickle fork on both though. I was starting to bend the Harbor Freight tool with the amount of force in the bolt...
One more question for you all: I bought the Whiteline offset bushings. Do I need to drill these for a zerk, and/or do I need to pin them in the UCA with a screw? These guys claim they do not need to be re-greased: Whiteline urethane spec miata offset bushings [006-KCA452] - $62.50 : Advanced Autosports, Miata Race Parts, Spec Miata and TRANS AM Race Car Sales, Service, Build & Rentals Support in Midwest I would definitely pin them, or somehow keep them from rotating. I would highly recommend greasing them, even though they say you don't have to. It will make them last much longer if they are greased. |
Originally Posted by hi_im_sean
(Post 1279243)
I would definitely pin them, or somehow keep them from rotating.
I would highly recommend greasing them, even though they say you don't have to. It will make them last much longer if they are greased. I will see if I can pin them with the zerk fitting. |
Originally Posted by Nate99
(Post 1279383)
I'm greasing only between the inner metal sleeve and the polyurethane, correct? Not the metal outer sleeve and the control arm?
I will see if I can pin them with the zerk fitting. I pinned mine with the zerk, kill 2 birds with one stone. the only concern was strength of using a zerk as a pin. so far no issues. I did the lowers on mine, but this may give you an idea. https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...9/#post1193050 edit- hey were both in phx. im on the far east side, AJ actually. |
Jay, you were right, they were a pain to get in. I ended up turning the OD down by .005" or so on a lathe, and still had to use a shop press to get them in. The bushings were measuring .010-.015" over the ID of the control arm, which I thought was a little much for a press fit.
Originally Posted by hi_im_sean
(Post 1279423)
correct. the outer metal sleeve presses into the control arm, you couldnt grease there if you wanted to.
I pinned mine with the zerk, kill 2 birds with one stone. the only concern was strength of using a zerk as a pin. so far no issues. I did the lowers on mine, but this may give you an idea. https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...9/#post1193050 edit- hey were both in phx. im on the far east side, AJ actually. |
Originally Posted by Nate99
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Jay, you were right, they were a pain to get in. I ended up turning the OD down by .005" or so on a lathe, and still had to use a shop press to get them in. The bushings were measuring .010-.015" over the ID of the control arm, which I thought was a little much for a press fit.
Thanks Sean. I did end up using the zerks to pin the bushings, but with that much of a press fit, I kind of doubt they're going anywhere regardless. You ever make it out to any of the local NASA events? I run with ProAutosports, havnt been to a nasa thing yet, pro was a lot cheaper last I checked, and less finicky. This time of year, im usually out there every event, but the funds havnt been available this season. |
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