Group buy DOOR BARS-FOR SALE
 

So you might have seen my ancient thread from a while ago saying that i would be making door bars, and they are finally ready to be sold. I'm not gonna make excuses or go into detail for why they took so long, i was just really busy with other projects and school.

Onto the bars,

They are similar in design to the bethania garage door bars.

.125 wall 1.5 inch DOM tubing

all tig welded

all plates are 3/16" steel

come with backing plate for the floor mount, and all the hardware to bolt into the floor. top mount hardware is already there with the roll bar.

designed to bolt in with the hard dog roll bars.

comes with all hardware, but not painted

top plates have slots so that you can adjust how far sideways they will go based on seat or small roll bar differences.

They do touch the seat padding, but honestly i am just as comfortable sitting in the car with them than without.

price is 200 shipped, or if you live close by we can work something out.

To start, i have 3 pairs immediately available, and 6 more that i just need to bend and weld, will be completed by friday. if demand continues, i already have all my setup and jigs to make more quickly. The hard part was the design and setup.

The pictures only show the bars tack-welded, i will throw some final pictures up tomorrow when i can take more.

Thanks,
Evan Witty

Mind if I come by and look at em? A: to see if they fit with my seat and B: to look at your car?

Those look pretty good, wonder if they would clear my seats...could you do some measurements? From the joint where the seal is to the bar (the closest side to the seat) and from the floor to the bar (top of the bar) would help immensely..

send me your paypal, I want a set. Do they come with hardware for mounting? I can't read apparently.

Do I get a discount for being first buyer ;)

Would you consider trades for a set of door bars? :naughty:

Too bad so late. Picked up HD's a couple months ago. I hope there is some interest and they sell for you!

I will get the measurements today, but i know it barely fits on the side of the stock seat. and send me a pm with possible trades.

Payment sent!

Sent you a PM, money is ready to send, please send me your paypal address.

looking forward to a review.

It will be interesting to see if I notice any added stiffening since I already have frame rails. I'm really doing it as an added safety measure in case of an accident

I would say you're adding these door bars for all the wrong reasons then. And yes, you'll notice a difference. From what I understand the frame rails add very little stiffening when compared to the door bars.

im sure its got to offer some protection. extra chassis stiffening cant be a bad thing, plus the price is right

There was some discussion on m.net that the door bars may cause more harm than good during a side impact.

That sounds like a discussion they would have over there. Just like the "rollbars are dangerous" discussions. Honestly, it depends on how you look at it. Anything that is adding more stiffening to the cabin is going to help in an accident. The only issue I see is that in a side impact it might push the bar into your hip. But honestly, if the bar wasn't there, wouldn't their bumper be in your hip anyway?

I think people who are worried about being injured by equipment that is intended to make their car do something better should probably not be driving a miata...more like a volvo.

Would somebody do a droop test once they get their bars? I would be interested in seeing how much rigidity these add. I am thinking it will be about the same as the rollbar, perhaps a bit more but still comparable.

PM sent.

+1

Adding structural rigidity, sure. Adding safety, no. All that is going to do is put a steel bar in your side. Not to mention a lot of vehicles on the street will have an impact point above that bar anyways. Think of it this way, that bar will hit you 1.5" before the door would have. The way it is mounting to the floor is just going to bend over in the front. Not trying to shit on the thread or idea, just trying to give you a different perspective to keep in mind.

I wish I knew if these would clear my seats. It doenst look like it though

if the seats go any wider than stock, they probably won't fit. the problem with width is up where the top plate mounts, there's not enough sideways space to start the bars any wider out than i did with the slots.

and pictures of the first bars being shipped!!

I think I have a sweaty sack you can lick......wait.......yep. All sweatied up from replacing a front crank seal tonight. ;)

Can anyone point me in the direction of door bar safety literature?

m.net ;)

Money sent.

LOL. Cool bars though seriously. After my current accidents, im wondering if these are a good idea for me:giggle:

fit in the 99 with stock seats right? how much do they weigh?

Got any pics of where it's mounted to the floor?
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the shipping weight was 20-22 lbs in the box, so around 20 for the pair. They should fit the NB also, but i can't promise 100% becasue i have an NA.

I also dont have them installed in my car right now, i shipped out that pair, but i will post the pics soon or when djp gets his he might post up some pics and a review.

ill take a set if it turns out they fit the 99 miatas

same here

either of you wanna be the NB tester? pm me if you want to. The bars that hard dog sells fit all years, so i don't see mine wouldn't. Also, they were actually just over 20 lbs shipped, not 30. so the bars are probably about 18 pounds total.

hey nick, send me another pm, ill just send them to you as the first nb tester.

Evan-- could you shoot me an email at olson (at) sfsu.edu with your contact info? Can't PM and the email listed on your website is bouncing back.

Cheers!

Will these fit cars without roll bars already installed? Reading your original post I was getting the impression they required a roll bar to bolt into.

As of yet I haven't chosen a roll bar, but the car I bought has a glass rear window so my options are a bit limited. For now I'd like to just add the door bars for the structural rigidity.

I guess they do not require a roll bar, but you would have to buy the backing plates off of Bethania garage because with the bars you re-use that on the top. Personally, i think that if you are feeling the difference that these make, you are driving hard enough to require a roll bar, and a roll bar adds stiffness in itself. i would not run these without a roll bar.

It's in the plans, but I wasn't sure how much difference the actual roll bar would make. If you're saying that much then I might have to look at doing both at the same time.

Now I just need to figure out a bar that will fit.

Sent you a PM, please respond.

The roll bar doesn't make the car THAT much stiffer... but it does make it THAT much safer.

The door bars make the car THAT much stiffer...but it doesn't make it any safer.

anyone have positive feedback of these bars? im considering getting a pair

I haven't put mine on yet. I still need to paint them. I would recommend they be primed before shipment. I've set mine out for a little while and I will have to hit them with a little sand paper before I prime them. I did a rough test fit, and I like where they are going to mount.

thanks for the tip, i will prime any pairs i ship out in the future. I have a pair all ready to be shipped if anyone wants it.

What color are they being primed? I might pick up a pair pretty soon if someone can confirm good quality? thanks

priming them with gray automotive primer. here are some pictures of a pair test fit in my car.

Well I can't send PM's it seems.

Interested.. would you ship USPS to CANADA? K2P0B5?

Thanks

I'm out of town for a couple days, I'll check how expensive shipping is when I get back.

Hey I just jumped into the miata world. How much for these bars?

Edit: now I see the amount in first post.

hey man so with shipping to canada using ups i could get you the bars for 220 shipped. lmk, i can get them sent out asap.

looks interesting, would it still be beneficial without a roll bar?

It bolts in with the roll bar mounting plates at the exact same location

Check his question again. It was worded poorly. He's asking whether or not these bars would do any good if he does NOT have a roll bar already in place.

I would say yes. Stiffness is stiffness. I'd want to fabricate a backing plate to match the one from hard dog though.

Do you have an email for me to send you a message directly?

Thanks,
Don

Did you ever find out if these fit nb's? I'm definitely interested.

Just an fyi, unless you're the same dude on cr.net, there is some dude selling these for 150-175 shipped... or at least in the process of trying to, lol.

I have not had them tested on an nb yet, but im 95% sure they will fit, i finally got a review back from djp, who said they did add rigidity and fit very well. Where are you located? I would gladly sell you a pair and if they dont fit i'll refund your money and pay the shipping costs back.
send me a pm,
Evan

If your going to spray them make sure the primer is a good Direct to metal primer or self etching.

I would like to order a set in a few weeks, bare because I can do my own paint and have plans for that.

For now i still have them bare, and i'm only going to prime them if someone requests it. I'm going to finish up a few more pairs to ship out between this weekend and next weekend, but i only have enough metal for maybe 3 or 4 more sets, so if you are seriously going to buy a set tell me now and I can reserve a set for you. After these next few are sold I'm going to need a few serious buyers before i get more metal.

so what should i expect in handling difference with these things on? Like how much stiffer will my ride be?

The only review I've gotten back is from djp, who said they did stiffen the car nicely, but not as much as installing the frame rails did. From when I had them on my car, I noticed a definite increase in stiffness, but I have a completely stock car as far as suspension and stiffness go.

money has been sent!
thanks evan
i cant pm you cuz your inbox is full by the way

Awesome i got the money i will get them shipped out today, and i cleared my inbox, i really should just subscribe soon...

Good News!! I test fit the bars in a NB, just setting them inside, and they seemed to fit perfectly. I shipped out a pair to Nickblackbelt who has an NB, and will get the official word from him soon.