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jtothawhat 10-24-2010 04:48 PM

Help me pick my driveline for 600 whp!
 
Alright, well my quest for 600 whp in my B6 is in the works...I know we do not have many options when it comes to this, but I want to see what others come up with.

Trans options:
Just keep stock 5 speed and see how long it lasts
6 Speed
6 Speed with cyro'd gears
FD Turbo II Trans
Quaife Trans

Rear end options
Keep my cusco 1.2 way LSD stock axles
Above plus custom DSS axles
8.8 rear end

If anyone has anything else to add, and what I should do, other combos that might work? I want to keep it cost down but with reliability in mind. For the last options in both aspects it will be close to $6,000 w/o labor which is ridiculous. The car is mostly driven on the street, the car will run 225/50/15 MT Drag Radials daily at this power level, and possibly 26" tall slicks at the drag strip.

Reverant 10-24-2010 04:58 PM

I know Bill Wilner @MiataRoadster.com has a pretty sweet, never used, FC TII setup, I know because a friend was interested in it but we couldn't get it shipped due to the substantial weight/dimensions (we are in Greece). Drop him an email.

jasonb 10-24-2010 05:06 PM

seeex hund?

baller but says only fow hundre....
http://ppgearbox.com.au/page.asp?par...7&productid=12

jtothawhat 10-24-2010 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by Reverant (Post 647659)
I know Bill Wilner @MiataRoadster.com has a pretty sweet, never used, FC TII setup, I know because a friend was interested in it but we couldn't get it shipped due to the substantial weight/dimensions (we are in Greece). Drop him an email.

Thanks for the heads up! I will drop him an email

jtothawhat 10-24-2010 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by jasonb (Post 647661)
seeex hund?

baller but says only fow hundre....
http://ppgearbox.com.au/page.asp?par...7&productid=12

lol I cannot afford 3 sets, and they're expensive as hell I can only assume plus only rated for 400 hp.

18psi 10-24-2010 05:34 PM

I'm absolutely amazed your stock 5 speed is still intact. When you pull it you need to gold plate it and have it shown off in some museum :giggle:

On a serious note, I think quaife with custom gearing would be your best bet. Contact Eliminator, he has a custom box in his car and very close to 600whp as well. According to his thread he has no problems getting traction due to the custom gearing being so long.

jtothawhat 10-24-2010 05:44 PM

I know, my trans is a champ. I did have it completely rebuilt before I went turbo 4 years ago, I am sure that has something to do with it lasting so long.

Stealth97 10-24-2010 05:59 PM

I'd do TII trans on a budget, FM trans if not :) Also investigate using the T5's and adapter popular with the V8 guys.

18psi 10-24-2010 06:01 PM

he's got a crazy ass setup with tons of money invested and lots of power and the thing to cheap out on will the the transmission? FUCK the t2 trans.

you need straight cut s0n

jtothawhat 10-24-2010 06:05 PM

lol Quaife isn't straight cut though, unfortunately. How did that 800 hp Miata guy mount that automatic to his 1.8????? That guy needs to start posting here.

18psi 10-24-2010 06:08 PM

You want an auto?

My my dick just went limp

jtothawhat 10-24-2010 06:10 PM

No! I do not, however, I would like to explore something like the T56 mounted to my B6...He he is running a TH400 trans or w.e the hell he's running I don't see why I cannot run a T56.

jtothawhat 10-24-2010 06:23 PM

I can pick up a complete Turbo II Trans with adapters for under 600 bucks! Umm...that with a 1.8 rear with custom DSS axles that will support 800 hp might be an option.

uavjeep 10-24-2010 08:08 PM

fwiw a t56 used is somewhere in the 2000 range.

18psi 10-24-2010 09:02 PM

not unless you like being ripped off. Ive seen them for 1k without much searching.

leatherface24 10-24-2010 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by Reverant (Post 647659)
I know Bill Wilner @MiataRoadster.com has a pretty sweet, never used, FC TII setup, I know because a friend was interested in it but we couldn't get it shipped due to the substantial weight/dimensions (we are in Greece). Drop him an email.

This^

chpmnsws6 10-25-2010 12:01 AM


Originally Posted by uavjeep (Post 647726)
fwiw a t56 used is somewhere in the 2000 range.

If he can rebuild one, they can be had for 500 as a "core". I have a 700 dollar (with bellhousing and shifter) "core" in my car right now till I get a day to pull it down, stick a new 2nd gear synchro and billet keys in it, and put it back in.

But yes, a T56 with some decent parts in it can take a beating.

Someone needs to fab up an adapter plate for them.

jtothawhat 10-25-2010 12:07 PM

Bill has a unused FC rear end, not transmission. However, he makes the adapter plates and the whole stabang for 400 bucks. You can get Turbo II transmissions for about 170-200 bucks off the rx7 forums.

I would love to put a T56 transmission in my car, but that's uncharted grounds and I am not sure I am ready to undertake that.

Reverant 10-25-2010 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by jtothawhat (Post 647949)
Bill has a unused FC rear end, not transmission.

Doh!

sjmarcy 10-27-2010 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by jtothawhat (Post 647655)
Alright, well my quest for 600 whp in my B6 is in the works...I know we do not have many options when it comes to this, but I want to see what others come up with.

Trans options:
Just keep stock 5 speed and see how long it lasts
6 Speed
6 Speed with cyro'd gears
FD Turbo II Trans
Quaife Trans

Rear end options
Keep my cusco 1.2 way LSD stock axles
Above plus custom DSS axles
8.8 rear end

If anyone has anything else to add, and what I should do, other combos that might work? I want to keep it cost down but with reliability in mind. For the last options in both aspects it will be close to $6,000 w/o labor which is ridiculous. The car is mostly driven on the street, the car will run 225/50/15 MT Drag Radials daily at this power level, and possibly 26" tall slicks at the drag strip.

What will you be doing with the car...dedicated for dragging? Thanks.

johnT 12-24-2011 03:05 PM

Hello from Chile, I use a TII FC Trans and rear end...
¿How much power can they take?
¿anybody nows?
Thanks!

gearhead_318 12-24-2011 03:50 PM

How is this thread bumped, but I see no new posts?

aaronc7 12-24-2011 03:52 PM

¿?

blaen99 12-24-2011 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by Gearhead_318 (Post 810359)
How is this thread bumped, but I see no new posts?

Global Ignore does that.

FRT_Fun 12-24-2011 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by johnT (Post 810351)
Hello from Chile, I use a TII FC Trans and rear end...
¿How much power can they take?
¿anybody nows?
Thanks!


Originally Posted by Gearhead_318 (Post 810359)
How is this thread bumped, but I see no new posts?

oh ello

Sparetire 12-25-2011 07:32 PM

Just throwing this out there, but with a 600WHP car, a TH400 with a manual valvebody would be pretty sweet. No idea on how much easier/harder it would be to adapt relative to a T-56. I think it would be the same. A 4L60E is essentialy similar to a TH350 IIRC. And it bolted up to the same LSXs that T-56s did. Or go baller and find a 4L80E which is IIRC the same footprint as a TH400/4L60E and have a truly basdass drag racing setup. Well setup Auto > Manual for launching when you get to that level. Plenty of aftermarket for them. Plenty of LSX guys going with 4L80Es.

pusha 12-25-2011 07:34 PM

He doesn't want auto because he is a boyracer.

Sparetire 12-25-2011 07:58 PM

I always enjoy watching vids of people in FI Vipers trying to run 9's with 1000WHP and T-56s and even with quite a bit of skill/setup/experience just slipping all over the track through the 1/8. I bet a Viper with ~900WHP and its weight/wheelbase is about as hard to drive as a Miata with 600WHP and its respective wheelbase and weight.

Plus, reverse pattern manual valve bodies are 100% badass. I always hear conflicting info on if they can be used on a track and downshifted etc. I have this nagging desire to run a 454 Nova with mini-moon wheels (think cop car), 10.5 slicks, a TH400 with a reverse pattern manual, and a really nice semi-matte gray paintjob. Or just own Blades car. That would work.

Hijack over. Sorry.


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