Hold the phone... new coilover in town?? Ground Control
08-28-2017, 04:41 PM
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I'm not victimizing myself. Last I checked MT.net is more then well known for banter an ****-giving to each other. It's meant primarily as satire to that effect, however it seems the sarcasm is misconstrued.
none the less. The post was for a set of $1500 coilovers. Regardless of other people's stated opinions, MY opinion was that there are plenty of other things out there at the same price point. I never said that anything WAS better then the other. I simply pointed out several other brands that were out there (both good and bad according to everyone else ere who is commenting) because no one has said anything concerning my voicing of MCA (Australian based) Ohlins, TEIN brands products. Your all getting your cats hissy over me sharing my opinion that I'd rather have a different product then the GC's for the price considering that I don't trust the lock-ring style perch, would prefer for ride height and preload be adjustable seperatly, and would like a wide range of dampening adjustability. As well as spherical bearing top-hats... that's just "MY OPINION" nothing more nothing less.
none the less. The post was for a set of $1500 coilovers. Regardless of other people's stated opinions, MY opinion was that there are plenty of other things out there at the same price point. I never said that anything WAS better then the other. I simply pointed out several other brands that were out there (both good and bad according to everyone else ere who is commenting) because no one has said anything concerning my voicing of MCA (Australian based) Ohlins, TEIN brands products. Your all getting your cats hissy over me sharing my opinion that I'd rather have a different product then the GC's for the price considering that I don't trust the lock-ring style perch, would prefer for ride height and preload be adjustable seperatly, and would like a wide range of dampening adjustability. As well as spherical bearing top-hats... that's just "MY OPINION" nothing more nothing less.
I wasn't comparing them to the Xidas I was comparing them to the GroundControl coilovers that was in the OP. My opinion on the topic since he said "discuss" was that, For the same price as you would pay for these GroundControl coilovers you could get much nicer BC or FA coils that have a more features, more adjustability, and a better warranty. I'd have to actually do the research in order to compare Xida to either BC or FA... but if you'd like me to do so and get back with you. I'm down for a little compare and contrast conversation.... Truth be told the brand that i know are out there for the $1,300-$2,000 range and seem to have expected build quality are the Xidas, BC, FA, PowerTrix, and MCA
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08-28-2017, 05:47 PM
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umad bro?
08-28-2017, 08:48 PM
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The only thing that's standing out is that you prefer adjustable body shocks, which has been proven time and time again on these platforms to be inferior, so that's not valid, either.
Am i missing anything?
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08-28-2017, 09:31 PM
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Well admittedly, i'm getting confused, because first Eibachs were basic, but now they're fine. Then these other things you mentioned were nicer, but not better.
The only thing that's standing out is that you prefer adjustable body shocks, which has been proven time and time again on these platforms to be inferior, so that's not valid, either
Am i missing anything?
The only thing that's standing out is that you prefer adjustable body shocks, which has been proven time and time again on these platforms to be inferior, so that's not valid, either
Am i missing anything?
Also missing the fact that throughout my replies I mention more then just BC and FA as brands with products in that price point. You also chose to reference Taiwanese/Chinese in reference to the products origin. Not everything from Taiwan/China is trash (even though A LOT are).
BC-Taiwanese- ISO9001 / TUV compliant.
FA-Taiwanese-ISO9002 compliant, steel body and shaft, billet and forged external components, dyno tested with proof of dyno results shipped with your coilovers. And can be built to pretty much whatever specifications you ask for.
MCA-Australian. Ohlins-Swedish. TEIN-Japan. HKS-Japan. Bilstein- Germany. V-MAXX- Netherlands
You also said I was "championing" them, when I'm not defending any of the products I mentioned at all. I am however telling you why " I " have the opinion i do. I never knew trying to have an intelligent conversation about a product of any sort was championing for them. But at the same time this has turned from an "Is it worth it" thread into you riding my dick about what and why my opinion is what it is, due to it not being the same opinion as yours.
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08-29-2017, 12:07 AM
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okay, cool. But where'd you find the info? Considering that I said "got anything saying they're made elsewhere".One wrong out of the list I gave, still doesn't change the premise to my statement as a whole on the topic that not everything from China (or Asian countries for that matter) is an inferior product. 🙄
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08-29-2017, 12:41 AM
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You forget I'm in the business of selling car parts. I know the exact factory where they come from. I have received samples from them through an agent that was desperately trying to get me to look at their stuff. I offer no commentary, statement or opinion on your previous posts. I was simply correcting you on the country of origin.
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08-29-2017, 12:44 AM
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You forget I'm in the business of selling car parts. I know the exact factory where they come from. I have received samples from them through an agent that was desperately trying to get me to look at their stuff. I offer no commentary, statement or opinion on your previous posts. I was simply correcting you on the country of origin.
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08-29-2017, 12:49 AM
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To be completely honest, for the same $1,500 or even up to $2,000 there are WAY better products out there... These GC units look like a typical set of "Ebay" coilovers, and their specs are not very encouraging.
That being said, here's what I see to be "Poor" about them.
1. There is only the single adjustment ring with a tension bolt to keep it locked in place. I've seen plenty of this style strip out and now you have to mutilate them to get the bolt out and even make any adjustments. The "Twin Lock Ring" method is much more sound IMO.
2. There is no Preload capability, therefore preload and ride hight are not independently controllable. This also means that the lower you set the ride height the the less shock travel you have. Which means you'll eventually be on bump-stops or getting coil-bind both of which are a no-no in my book.
3. Even if you don't go low enough to have to worry about the bump-stops or binding, if these are on your daily and you nail a pot hole or raid debris you run the risk of shifting the spring from its perch. This could potentially cause an accident.
The only "Pro" I see to these is the bottom spherical bearing mount which with any higher end coiler you could easily have the same feature included upon special request.
Also just as a side note, you could get BC or Fortune-Auto coilovers built somewhat to your desired specs for $1,300-$1,600
That being said, here's what I see to be "Poor" about them.
1. There is only the single adjustment ring with a tension bolt to keep it locked in place. I've seen plenty of this style strip out and now you have to mutilate them to get the bolt out and even make any adjustments. The "Twin Lock Ring" method is much more sound IMO.
2. There is no Preload capability, therefore preload and ride hight are not independently controllable. This also means that the lower you set the ride height the the less shock travel you have. Which means you'll eventually be on bump-stops or getting coil-bind both of which are a no-no in my book.
3. Even if you don't go low enough to have to worry about the bump-stops or binding, if these are on your daily and you nail a pot hole or raid debris you run the risk of shifting the spring from its perch. This could potentially cause an accident.
The only "Pro" I see to these is the bottom spherical bearing mount which with any higher end coiler you could easily have the same feature included upon special request.
Also just as a side note, you could get BC or Fortune-Auto coilovers built somewhat to your desired specs for $1,300-$1,600
Clearly, you're missing the fact that it's simply my opinion. Other people shared theirs and I shared mine.
But at the same time this has turned from an "Is it worth it" thread into you riding my dick about what and why my opinion is what it is, due to it not being the same opinion as yours.
But at the same time this has turned from an "Is it worth it" thread into you riding my dick about what and why my opinion is what it is, due to it not being the same opinion as yours.
You've taken the hazing pretty well, but I still disagree with your stated facts of why these coilovers are not superior to the others you mentioned. The reasons they are inferior to better quality products like Xidas is due to their dated design and tendency to run hot, along with lack of features and adjustability for the price -- too much eye candy, too little substance. But the one thing they DO have over comparably price Chinese coilovers is quality. Those Konis will last a long, long time.
Perhaps we can stop talking in circles now.
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