Originally Posted by shanem
(Post 989679)
I've beat on my turbo car for a year now down to 5 seconds under the spec miata record on a rough track using koni sports and GC sleeves/springs (factory 1.8 brakes too). It doesn't suck nearly as bad as people think, it's just not as good as ballerovers like xida.
they suck in the following situations:
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ok thanks 18psi, I'll keep researching thanks, guys
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What is missing in this whole coversation is the primary useage for these shocks. If it is a street driven car, stay with twin-tube. Twin-tube shocks have gas pressue that helps prevent the shock oil from frothing (Creating bubbles). Mono-tube shocks do not have the gas pressure so they are more prone to frothing, and when you get air bubbles in the oil, the piston is no longer being controlled by that oil.
There are several schools of thought over which shock is better. I look at it this way, if you want to win National Championships (Autocrossing, NASA, Road Racing) Koni has a geat track record, but then again so does Moton. If you want to hard-park, low-and-slow any shock will work until you smash the piston from removing your bump-stomps. In my personal cars, I have won money on Koni's. I have not won anything on any Bilstein equipped cars that I have driven. I have also won money on Tiens, but I would not recommend them. I will warn you, there are two groups of people, the Koni people and the revalve Bilstein people. There is no in between for these groups. Koni people say the revalve Bilsteins are garbage and the Revalve people say the Koni's are garbage. The correct answer for which shock you should buy, might be this: Buy the best shock you can afford. If you can afford Koni or Bilstein, buy them. If you can only afford Racelands, save your money until you can buy Koni or Bilstein. See who has what in your area and take some rides and then choose. |
Konis have a great track record because there was no competition, for a better shock for the miata, for the last 15 years. that doesnt count.
they are the worst shock for the miata. the term shock is fitting for them...as the harsh ride is shocking. konis are garbage...anything who thinks otherwise, probably spent $300 on a Randall intake and a chrome luggage rack. |
Originally Posted by MX5RACER
(Post 989702)
What is missing in this whole coversation is the primary useage for these shocks. If it is a street driven car, stay with twin-tube. Twin-tube shocks have gas pressue that helps prevent the shock oil from frothing (Creating bubbles). Mono-tube shocks do not have the gas pressure so they are more prone to frothing, and when you get air bubbles in the oil, the piston is no longer being controlled by that oil.
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Originally Posted by thenuge26
(Post 989706)
Just curious, what makes street use more likely to lead to frothing vs track usage?
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or in hustlers case, you go hard all the time. 10/10
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Koni 2013!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by shuiend
(Post 989724)
Koni 2013!!!!!!!!!
koni 2008. |
It is the repetitive nature of bumps, dips, wash-boaring we encounter everyday on the road. If you think about most tracks, they are smooth, so the only action a shock may see is the slower loading from side to side, braking, acceleration and the every now and again curb. There is a lot more time between events (Shock shaft movements) on the track compared to street driving.
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This is an area where spending the money is absolutely worth it.
You're already at a $500 budget apparently. How many times over the next couple of years do you expect to repetitively "upgrade"? Would it not make more sense to save your beans and get a really great setup once? Xida or FCM type setup? |
Don't get the Konis. And if you are going to get the Konis buy mine in a few months. :party:
They came on my car, and I hate them. It's bad enough that Tucson roads are apparently driven on by 18-wheelers that have replaced their wheels with jackhammers, but to drive on the road after them with Konis is hell. You will also bottom out on every speed bump because of the lack of high speed damping unless you ricer crawl over them, and even then you're going to scrape rails. You might also get a concussion from dips in the freeway or speed tables if you have a hard top. To top it all off, most places charge around $100+ to rebuild them, and they're $150 new. I suppose you could get a custom valve job if you could get a used set for nearly free and they'd be a good option when combined with a GC kit, but this goes for all of the revalvable shocks. Seems like these are the best options based on my research: (Note: Get NB parts. Buy beg or steal NB top hats. Top hat price not included. You should also get aftermarket sways if you don't have them already.) R!celands - $375 R!celands w/ lighter rear springs* ~ $475? FM's V-Maxx - $600 Revalved shocks + GC Kit ~ $600-800 + price of used shocks Tein Basis - $690 Bilstein Sports + GC Kit - $875 Xida-CS - $2100 Xida Full - $4400 *Can't recall better spring rates for R!celand. Read the thread if you go that route. More information than you can shake a stick at. I'm going to be going R!celands with different springs next, since my Koni's are old and starting to protest over speed bumps, while I save up for the Xida-CS goodness. |
Originally Posted by TheScaryOne
(Post 989743)
They came on my car, and I hate them. It's bad enough that Tucson roads are apparently driven on by 18-wheelers that have replaced their wheels with jackhammers, but to drive on the road after them with Konis is hell. You will also bottom out on every speed bump because of the lack of high speed damping unless you ricer crawl over them, and even then you're going to scrape rails. You might also get a concussion from dips in the freeway or speed tables if you have a hard top.
I'm going to be going R!celands with different springs next, since my Koni's are old and starting to protest over speed bumps, while I save up for the Xida-CS goodness. |
Originally Posted by TheScaryOne
(Post 989743)
Seems like these are the best options based on my research:
(Note: Get NB parts. Buy beg or steal NB top hats. Top hat price not included. You should also get aftermarket sways if you don't have them already.) R!celands - $375 R!celands w/ lighter rear springs* ~ $475? Revalved shocks + GC Kit ~ $600-800 + price of used shocks Bilstein Sports + GC Kit - $875 Xida-CS - $2100 Xida Full - $4400 *Can't recall better spring rates for R!celand. Read the thread if you go that route. More information than you can shake a stick at. I'm going to be going R!celands with different springs next, since my Koni's are old and starting to protest over speed bumps, while I save up for the Xida-CS goodness. By the time you piece together many of the other setups, it's not hard to spend more money and time. Just throwin' that out there. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 989758)
why not just wear a neck brace/hans device and just stay with konis while you save up? or those shocks in the FS section?
And the Tokico Illumina's? I saw them in FS, but they're NA, and I already have a set of NB top hats and bumps that are itching a hole in my storage unit. And I have mystery springs.
Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack
(Post 989768)
For a mostly street car, I'm not sure a setup like the $700 Tein Street Basis is not a better option.
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Not sure what you mean: tein basis and fm vmaxx are 700 and 600 respectively.
I like both and think they're really similar to one another with the vmaxx being a bit more focused on street driving and the basis on track. Both are about mid-level performance. I love my fm stg1 setup on the street, hataz gonna hate :) |
Bah. I was looking under their "suspension packages" at the stage 2 that comes with swaybars for $750, not under "suspension components."
At $600 with the right spring rates and helper springs... I might go that route instead of R!celands. |
Honestly if I was in your position and couldn't afford xidas that's EXACTLY what I'd do.
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Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 989798)
tein basis and fm vmaxx are 700 and 600 respectively.
Vmaxx Classic = 391/258 Vmaxx Track pack = 504/336 I'm "relatively" happy with the Classic's + FM sways, but it hasn't taken much track time to already need more rate and more sway. At the end of the season, XIDA's and Emilio's sways will go on, or if I get enough OT, sooner. |
I had the classics and absolutely loved em. Perfect balance between performance and comfort.
The trackheads in here will probably wanna opt for the track version. |
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