Miata harness bar
 

so i have a question i got a hard dog ace single diagonal roll bar with no harness.... and thats the problem i want a harness bar but all the bolt on harness bar from hard dog or boss frog does not fit the ace bar. any body know where i can get one for the ace bar? anybody made any harness bar and is selling it? by the way its a 1991 miata any info will help thank you in advance!

Why dont you call them. Are you planning on goin to the track?

Have a great day,
Jared

ya i called them and they said it wont work with ace bar. and ya im planning to track it because harness in the street is just not safe...

Well, neither is that bar you are planning to use on track.

You might as well sell that bar and buy a propper one. Do your self a favor invest in some proper seats as well.

stay on topic please. if i want to buy a new bar i wouldn't ask for a harness bar in the first place. and how do u know that i dont have proper seats? u know what they say about assuming... dont talk if ur not contributing.

I have a brand new harness bar that I ended up not using. You're welcome to PM if you want to take it off of my hands and modify it yourself. I'm sure it wouldn't be too much work and could end up saving you a few bucks in the long run.

Sorry if that doesn't help. Good luck on your search.

Don't be so pissy, Jfornachon was just trying to offer some advice. Loose the attitude or you wont last long here.

im not being pissy i just speak direct, speak when is necessary i dont like it when ppl dont offer advice and just criticize others. and its LOSE not LOOSE... see i can be a dick wad too.

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too lazy and too dumb is two different things...

pm sent thank you

Thank you. You cant help stupidity.

Have a great day,
Jared

Actually they say It makes an ass out of you and me. Don't know who you were talking to. I may not have been helping you but the next person who is dooing research before buying a proper rollbar for the track may read this and do the right thing. It's not always about you.

Any way. Go a head and buy that bar, make it fit install the seats and harnesses. Enjoy the trip to the track and hope you don't have someone like my self who techs your car and knows what to look for. If I saw that bar while I was teching cars I would get the lead inspector and have him make the call. If it was up to me I would send you home without another thought. I would refund your money less cancilation fees. Due to the fact that you showed up the the track with an underprepaired car. In fact I would not want you on track with me or anyone else, because if you did roll. You would take time out of our track day becaues we had to call lifeflight since you thought you were beeing smart and money wise on getting shit to fit.

BTW, I am offering you advice and not just criticizing you. I am criticizing your decisions. You mentioned that harnesses on the street are not safe, and I said neither is that "rollbar" that you plan on using on track.

Take it from me I know that harnesses are not safe on the street nor are fixed back seats (proper seats). I rolled a 2000 4 years ago. The bar that I had was actually designed for the track (boss frog clearview max or what ever its called). The bar had an ever so slight bend in it from the impact. Would I trust your bar in a rollover? Never.

On top of that you called hard dog and they speciffically said that a harness bar would not fit. Then you come here asking about one. There is a reason it wont fit. I am not going to tell you that reason. I will let you spend more money to f&$k around and spend more money than it will cost to sell the bar you have and buy a propper one. One that has a harness bar already. Enjoy NOOB.

Before you go correcting peoples spelling and gramer you may want to get yours in check.

Have a great life,
Jared

wow your mad. i bought a m1 and call it a day problem solved somebody close this thread please

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I don't want any part of this argument but I'm curious as to why you don't think the ACE is a real rollbar. I know it's low, but if one has the seat to get the requisite 2" under the bar, what is the issue? I'm truly interested in learning here by the way. I put an ACE in my car after selling a Harcore because the damn thing sat too close to my head and my car is a 90+% street machine. I figured my odds of being rear-ended were far higher than the odds of rolling the car.

Both the Hard Core bar and the ACE are

"Constructed of highest quality 1.75 X .120 inch 1026 alloy drawn over mandrel tubing" according to the Bethania website. If your issue is purely with the height, I get it, but it could work in the right circumstances, no?

Not mad, just being direct. Well, I am glad that you took my advice. Would it have been so yard to have said thank you for the advice.

Have a great day,
Jared

Its not that the bar is not able to protect you in a rollover but, you can do better. Look at the way both bars are made. The ace sits well in side of the belt towers. As the others sit right next to the towers. As you stated they also are a little higher. Also the ace is only mounted to the package shelf as the hardcore and the clearview mount lower as well as the belt towers. It's not about the materials that are used. It's about how it's designed that matters. Don't get me wrong the materials do matter.

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Thease are just some pictures of my accident. When I went over the the windshield came down to the steering wheel. Had I had the ace the injury would have been much worse. Also if I had a seat and harnesses my spine would have been compressed since my body would not have the movement that it did with the factory seat and harness.

If you are going to the track safty is not the place to skimp. Hence why I said what you quoted. Beeing a instructor I don't want to be in a car that has a bar like that one. We have the right now ot go out if we feel it's not safe. If you can't get an instructor to get in your car and its manditory that you have one the guess what. You dont go out.

Have a greata day,
Jared

So wait, you're saying a fixed-back seat and harness with rollbar is not safe on the street? What makes that combo safe on the track if it's not safe on the street?

Fair enough. I see your point on the bar being mounted inside the belt towers.

However it does not just mount to the package tray. I installed my Hardcore and my ACE and the rear of the bar mounts in about the same spot on both units. I would never have put the thing in my car if it just mounted to the package tray - that would be a "style bar" and more of a liability than a safety device IMO. The package tray has no strength to speak of.

All that said, I AM looking for a way to get lower in the car. I have a long torso and my head is about even with the top of that bar. However in a rollover I'm not sure how much that really matters unless the bar is MUCH taller than is practical. Your body and belts will likely move enough to put your head on the ground regardless.

I agree though; the track is no place for a safety compromise. However since my car is a street toy, I feel this bar is safer than no bar and given the likelihood of a rollover vs. a rear impact, it's safer than one that is an inch from my head. I know a guy that wrecked a Miata on track in w2w competition and sustained brain damage from smacking his helmeted head on the cage. I'm not interested in that experience.

If I ever build a track slut it will have a taller bar at the very least; most likely a cage.

I was trying to get my head around this too. Harness - bar = bad, but I'm not sure why the bar/seat/harness would be bad in one environment and not the other.

You wear a helmet on the track, but not on the street.

......and this lack of helmet causes your spine to compress on the street? The comment doesn't relate to the original statement.

This is the statement I'm confused about.

I was just saying that's the difference. A lot of people think that's the reason roll bars/harness bars/harness/race seat aren't safe on the street. Not me, that's how I roll.

Ah...got it.

A helmet IS nice protection against a rollbar, for sure.

A three point seat belt like what comes from the factory allows the shoulder and head to move towards the center of the car in a rollover. Harnesses do not allow this to happen. Had I had harnesses in my car I would have been pinned in the seat and when the car rolled and the windshield came down my head would have had no where to go and would have been forced down or would have been crushed like a melon. Instead of the injuries that are pictured in the above pics it would have been much worse.

Hope that helps out a little.

Have a great day,
Jared

I should say that I do currently have a seat and harnesses in my car and it is my DD.

Have a great day,
Jared

Makes sense - so it's circumstantial. Could kill you, save you, or make no difference depending on the accident. Thanks for the info, I like to ponder these things. ;-)

What made you feel OK about the seat / harness this time? I'm hoping to do Lotus seats eventually, to get more under my bar and HOPE to be able to use my stock belts on the street.

I think the ACE is a good, strong unit and trust it (except for height), but you certainly should have the choice not to instruct in any car you're not comfortable in. Personally, I wouldn't ride along with anyone that was anything like a noob.

I've ridden with Tommy Byrne and Sam Halkias at speed - both of whom I regard highly as drivers. Sam nearly made me ill and Tommy was a bit scary in the relaxed way he chatted about motorcycles and leaned over so I could hear him with the top down....while driving around the 100mph mark. I think instructors that ride along are quite brave enough without asking them to ride in a car they don't trust.

As far as the seat and harnesses go I am at Tue track around twice a month and am lazy so I just left them in and someone needed/wanted leather seats so I sold them and have no other seats. Also I don't go running the canyons any longer.

As far as instructing goes. I love it. I love to see someone who is having a hard time driving and gets it because of my help. It's a great feeling. In 3 years I have only gotten out of one car because of safety reasons. For the most part beginners don't really do much to put you in harm.

THERE ARE THE EXCEPTIONS AS IS IN ALL OF LIFE.

Also since my accident I have not taken life so seriously. It sort of bellowed me out. Good bad I don't know. I just know my parents are glad that I am still here.

Have a great day,
Jared