Well this is all good info. Recently swapped to an NB subframe/rack on my NA with non-LE rod ends. Looks like I won't be changing to LE and will be keeping an eye out for NB knuckles.
As for the rack, I did use the NB u-joint with the NA shaft. If it's too long, slide it back into the column, it's a safety feature with ~6" of play... FWIW I also mated the entire NB power steering setup onto my NA, only changing the reservoir. I did opt to run an aftermarket cooler with soft lines to the reservoir/rack however. |
^Thanks Curly, I'll try that tomorrow. BTW, next time I'm in Oregon (is where a month ago I bought the car that's getting this subframe), I'll buy you a cold one!
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Originally Posted by curly
(Post 1499918)
Well this is all good info. Recently swapped to an NB subframe/rack on my NA with non-LE rod ends. Looks like I won't be changing to LE and will be keeping an eye out for NB knuckles.
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It's painfully pedantic, but the NA and NB arms interchange and the NA arms have the double-shear endlink mounts. Not a big deal on most cars, but when you've got a 1-1/4" bar with a 3/16" wall thickness in the car, the swaybar system needs all the help it can get.
The ideal setup is an NB subframe, NB rack, NB FUCAs, NB spindles, and NA lower arms, Bauer ELBJs, and 93LE tie rod ends. |
While the NA is double shear the material is a lot thinner than the NB single. I added the Racing Beat tab to the NB to make it double shear. It seemed like the best idea with that monster front bar. Otherwise I agree with and copied your formula. :-)
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Originally Posted by k24madness
(Post 1501434)
While the NA is double shear the material is a lot thinner than the NB single. I added the Racing Beat tab to the NB to make it double shear. It seemed like the best idea with that monster front bar. Otherwise I agree with and copied your formula. :-)
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1501433)
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Originally Posted by k24madness
(Post 1501429)
How are you guys buying these sub frames? When I bought mine it was complete with control arms, rack and knuckles. I just bolted it to the body, engine and steering shaft. I then added the LE tie rods later.
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Curly a big part of the suspension geometry improvements (bumpsteer) is in the knuckles. I don’t understand the logic of not keeping those with the new NB sub frame. |
Good to know, I'll try to source some NB knuckles. I was parting out with a friend, and we had a buyer for all the ABS knuckles/hardware.
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+1. The spindles are half the benefit and like 5% of the work. Makes no sense to run an NB subframe and NA spindles.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1498565)
NB lower U-joint will fit the NA shaft. That's what I have done on all the NB>NA swaps I've done.
Quick Q? Right now I have the NB power steering reservoir, and it fits rather wonky. Would the NA reservoir (I have one) would fit unto the NB rack hoses? |
Originally Posted by The Driver
(Post 1506237)
Confirmed, and done!
Quick Q? Right now I have the NB power steering reservoir, and it fits rather wonky. Would the NA reservoir (I have one) would fit unto the NB rack hoses? |
Originally Posted by kevinspann
(Post 1506274)
I used the NA reservoir. I think the smaller line that comes out of the back of it, I the NA hose didn't see to fit quite right, so I just used some bulk hose. The larger hose I don't recall if I used the NA or NB, but it was an OE hose.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1501433)
The ideal setup is an NB subframe, NB rack, NB FUCAs, NB spindles, and NA lower arms, Bauer ELBJs, and 93LE tie rod ends.
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Curly, keep the NB tie rods that came with the 03 subframe. Skip the ELBJ if you can meet camber targets without it. Most likely you’ll be good without for a street/track car. The upper CA and knuckles would be all you need to balance off your previous NB subframe install. |
Does anyone know how to visually (or otherwise) differentiate between NA and NB front upper arms?
I have a set that I plan to use to facilitate a bushing swap, but when I obtained them I didn't realize there was a difference in the upper arms, and I don't know for sure whether they came off an NA or NB... |
I think nb2 arms have an additional brace welded to the bottom, there’s a thread floating around here about interference with coil overs with them at certain camber numbers. |
Originally Posted by curly
(Post 1513501)
I think nb2 arms have an additional brace welded to the bottom, there’s a thread floating around here about interference with coil overs with them at certain camber numbers. Found this: https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b1fb3ed36d.jpg Which I think answers my question... just have a little more research to do to confirm NB1 v. NA, and I think the answer is still in the underside bracing. EDIT: OK, I believe the FUCAs I have are NA... It appears the underside bracing was extended from NA to NB1, and again from NB1 to NB2. If anyone has any different info, please speak up. https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4833/...1e17dfe6_c.jpg |
It doesn't matter since you don't have the ball joint anyway. The big problem is the NB upper ball joint taper is different, so you have to match the knuckle and ball joint (which most people.never change out if the arm).
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