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Old 10-05-2012, 06:44 PM   #21
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I've owned racelands, meagins, stance, and just got the afcos. Meagans where the best street coil for the $$ by far.
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Dunno if OP has purchased yet, but I'll put my vote in for FM Vmaxx coils. Once he gets sick of stance, they'll offer a decent ride and performance at the proper height.
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FlyinMiata NB springs, NB Bilstein HD's, FCM NB tophats and FCM bumpstops.
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megan ez streets treated me great. full stiff front, 2 clicks from full stiff rear and 11.75" ride height front/rear
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What does this mean? Something about photography? Is he using milk for shock oil? Mayonnaise? That juice with the chunks of flavored wax suspended in it? Does that stuff even count as an emulsion?

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Emulsion shocks are shocks without separator pistons where oil and gas get to mix and froth. As far as I know FCM's retain the original Bilstein separator pistons. I wouldn't know what emulsion "valved" means and suspect that Hustler doesn't either. Which would be typical
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Emulsion shocks are shocks without separator pistons where oil and gas get to mix and froth. As far as I know FCM's retain the original Bilstein separator pistons. I wouldn't know what emulsion "valved" means and suspect that Hustler doesn't either. Which would be typical
Different set-up for emulsion shocks like the rears on my car since my bodies don't have room for the separator.
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Different set-up for emulsion shocks like the rears on my car since my bodies don't have room for the separator.
...What? That's a serious design compromise and totally unnecessary. Why?

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...What? That's a serious design compromise and totally unnecessary. Why?
My rears are different from Xidas since they are a development shock. Yes it's a change, but AST thinks it's still a good shock, Emilio drove the car and had no complaints. If I could do it again, I'd probably wait for the Xidas but I got these a long time ago.
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My rears are different from Xidas since they are a development shock. Yes it's a change, but AST thinks it's still a good shock, Emilio drove the car and had no complaints. If I could do it again, I'd probably wait for the Xidas but I got these a long time ago.
That's bizarre. I can't imagine why the didn't use a bladder, a remote reservoir, or that weird foam stuff. Where does the air the piston displaces live, is it like a monotube with no separator piston and so the air rests against the shock shaft seal? Are they pressurized? Were they never really meant for the public? Are they consistent on different road surfaces? Once upon a time i was the shock rebuilder/ set up guy at a bike shop, and an imperfect shock bleed would ruin the ride, and when forks started using pressurized guts it was a massive improvement in ride quality. (Or at least the good ones were). I'm really curious how they're made.

Oh, and i disagree with you on every point you made about FCM stuff. I'd do the point-by-point thing, but you made that post a long time ago and i don't wanna make a peeing contest. Love to chat though.

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That's bizarre. I can't imagine why the didn't use a bladder, a remote reservoir, or that weird foam stuff. Where does the air the piston displaces live, is it like a monotube with no separator piston and so the air rests against the shock shaft seal? Are they pressurized? Were they never really meant for the public? Are they consistent on different road surfaces? Once upon a time i was the shock rebuilder/ set up guy at a bike shop, and an imperfect shock bleed would ruin the ride, and when forks started using pressurized guts it was a massive improvement in ride quality. (Or at least the good ones were). I'm really curious how they're made.
I don't know, I'm not the suspension engineer.
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Oh, and i disagree with you on every point you made about FCM stuff. I'd do the point-by-point thing, but you made that post a long time ago and i don't wanna make a peeing contest. Love to chat though.
You disagree that they're overpriced boat anchors, designed to ride on bump stops, and disagree that they use SS brake lines for external cans? Those three points aren't really up for debate.

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You disagree that they're overpriced boat anchors, designed to ride on bump stops, and disagree that they use SS brake lines for external cans? Those three points aren't really up for debate.

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Overpriced is for the buyer to decide.

Bumpstops are part of the suspension. My miata doesn't use its bumpstops except for damage control, and i assure you that there are drawbacks, especially in collision avoidance maneuvers. Sure does fly off curbs nice though.

Boat anchors? Measurable but irrelevant. Pretty sure threaded body coilovers are aluminum because it's cheaper to machine, and bilsteins are steel because it's cheaper to weld.

I'm not sure why having easily sourced replaceable sleeves and remote reservoir lines is a bad thing.

I think the welded on shrader valves are awesome. They make the shock user serviceable and give a consistent repeatable (if subtle) way to adjust compression and bottom out.

Yep, shitty springs. Although if you're using top mounts that have a spring seat fixed to the chassis you aren't getting the spring rate you think you are anyway.

A great option for the right buyer, who may or may not be an idiot. You could very easily do worse.



A/S/L? Sweeeeet. ....Let me go find my robe and wizard hat.

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Overpriced is for the buyer to decide.

Bumpstops are part of the suspension. My miata doesn't use its bumpstops except for damage control, and i assure you that there are drawbacks, especially in collision avoidance maneuvers. Sure does fly off curbs nice though.

Boat anchors? Measurable but irrelevant. Pretty sure threaded body coilovers are aluminum because it's cheaper to machine, and bilsteins are steel because it's cheaper to weld.

I'm not sure why having easily sourced replaceable sleeves and remote reservoir lines is a bad thing.

I think the welded on shrader valves are awesome. They make the shock user serviceable and give a consistent repeatable (if subtle) way to adjust compression and bottom out.

Yep, shitty springs. Although if you're using top mounts that have a spring seat fixed to the chassis you aren't getting the spring rate you think you are anyway.

A great option for the right buyer, who may or may not be an idiot. You could very easily do worse.



A/S/L? Sweeeeet. ....Let me go find my robe and wizard hat.
I know that if I'm going to spend $2k on dampers, I want the heavy ones with the 40-year old Schrader valve and the brake-line adapter to the vintage can.
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Weren't you the guy who spent 2000$ and came back with emulsion shocks?
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Weren't you the guy who spent 2000$ and came back with emulsion shocks?
I spent nowhere near that.
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I know that if I'm going to spend $2k on dampers, I want the heavy ones with the 40-year old Schrader valve and the brake-line adapter to the vintage can.
Maybe you could get them covered in this stuff


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I wish that deal was around back when I was living in poverty and had the Bilstein/GC set-up.
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Tein Street Advance using your existing upper mounts.
Are Tein SA really that good? I was looking towards purchasing a set of FM V-Maxxes.
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I think FCM is a bit expensive but I'm sure his overhead cost to volume is huge. I do think the Xida air valve is a better design.
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The design might be nicer, but they need regular regassing too. Mine need it every other year at least and I know the high end stuff is the same or worse. Normal racing shock maintenance.

Shocks aren't material intensive, they're knowledge intensive.
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Since this thread is completely off topic anyway...

Anyone know of a more comfortable street suspension than 450/500 and 300/350 XIDAs?
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