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Old 07-18-2008, 06:35 PM   #1
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the shitty part about expensive suspension is getting replacements and revalving. I was ready to buy tein but I quickly realized that if I screwed one up or needed revalving, that I was screwed. If you're going to spend big money on dampers, I'd go above and beyond with like moton, and ground control perches. That way if you need them services or you put one into a curve, you're only out for one unit, and not all 4...because I had a total of 7 H&R coilovers when I had the VW, when I blew one. Nothing like paying $1700 for one shock.

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Hustler,with Ohilins suspension you can go to any Ohlins dealer and get parts and have them service it,so basically any motorcycle perfomance parts dealer can do it.
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What spike says is completely true and its not as expensive as you think. Recommended every 20k miles also. I've got the Ohlins DFV's and wrote a review on them posted here:

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread...ght=ohlins+DFV

They are well worth the money. Doppleganger and Virus also have them here.
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What spike says is completely true and its not as expensive as you think. Recommended every 20k miles also. I've got the Ohlins DFV's and wrote a review on them posted here:

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread...ght=ohlins+DFV

They are well worth the money. Doppleganger and Virus also have them here.
Thanks for the link. It was a pretty good read. Did you notice any dings in DFV version after running them for a while?
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Hustler,with Ohilins suspension you can go to any Ohlins dealer and get parts and have them service it,so basically any motorcycle perfomance parts dealer can do it.
I've been down this road, and good luck with that. I've tried this before and its not as easy as it sounds. They have to order parts which aren't cheap, then charge you $200 in labor.

i see dampers as a wear item, and I'm not rich. I blew up a shock a few months ago from a pot-hole.
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How do these Ohlins compare to Bilsteins or the cheaper KYBs?
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I've been down this road, and good luck with that. I've tried this before and its not as easy as it sounds. They have to order parts which aren't cheap, then charge you $200 in labor.

i see dampers as a wear item, and I'm not rich. I blew up a shock a few months ago from a pot-hole.
Nobody on here is rich,that's why we all drive miatas and not Ferrari's.

If parts+$200 labour is what it costs to repair a high end coilover,then that's what it costs,there's no way around it.If the high cost of repair/maintaning them is too much,then I suggest a more economic route to suspension.
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Thanks for the link. It was a pretty good read. Did you notice any dings in DFV version after running them for a while?
No, there haven't been any dings on them and have been daily driven on rough roads since installed.

As for coparing them to the KYB's and Bilsteins:

KYB's (my previous shocks) cheap, last around 3-5 years or 30k miles on mild springs around 300lbs. Wouldn't go higher. Ride rough.

Bilsteins, praised by the old generation, last damn near forever 100k betwen rebuilds. Can be revalved for whatever spring rates you want, but also ride rough

Ohlins, pricey, can be rebuilt at any motorcycle performance shop, can be revalved to any spring rate desired, superior damping to the bilsteins, and ride more comfortable on the streets than any setup I have driven on same tires Falken RT-615's (for consistency)
Also most sexy of them all.

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Nobody on here is rich,that's why we all drive miatas and not Ferrari's.

If parts+$200 labour is what it costs to repair a high end coilover,then that's what it costs,there's no way around it.If the high cost of repair/maintaning them is too much,then I suggest a more economic route to suspension.
I'm a cheap ****, but don't forget that a budget set-up like mine with corner weighting will crush just about anything you can buy. I've had the accelerometer in the car to prove it.
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bilsteins + FCM mounts + fcm bumpstops + GC/FCM sleeves = best bang for the buck available.

I plan to get bilsteins and GC/FCM sleeves with "moderate spring rates" until my budgest allows for the mounts, revalve, and much stiffer springs. Two stage install.
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I'm a cheap ****, but don't forget that a budget set-up like mine with corner weighting will crush just about anything you can buy. I've had the accelerometer in the car to prove it.
You setup may perform pretty good, but you can't say its the best. Have you even driven a car w/ Teins, JIC's, or Ohlins?
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the shitty part about expensive suspension is getting replacements and revalving. I was ready to buy tein but I quickly realized that if I screwed one up or needed revalving, that I was screwed. If you're going to spend big money on dampers, I'd go above and beyond with like moton, and ground control perches. That way if you need them services or you put one into a curve, you're only out for one unit, and not all 4...because I had a total of 7 H&R coilovers when I had the VW, when I blew one. Nothing like paying $1700 for one shock.
what kind of crack are you smoking? if you screw up one of the motons, youre more fucked than if you blew a tein shock. tein will overhaul shocks for a hundred bucks a piece where as i dont even want to know how much Moton charges to overhaul their stuff. as for the comment about moton and ground control perches? dude, moton shocks give you the option of having a threaded body. you dont need GC perches.. haha
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Wat! Nice first post w/o an introduction even..... Not that I'm not with ya, I would much rather rebuild my Teins as well. Their revalve price direct from Tein was the whole reason for my purchase.
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what kind of crack are you smoking? if you screw up one of the motons, youre more fucked than if you blew a tein shock. tein will overhaul shocks for a hundred bucks a piece where as i dont even want to know how much Moton charges to overhaul their stuff. as for the comment about moton and ground control perches? dude, moton shocks give you the option of having a threaded body. you dont need GC perches.. haha

I'm smoking the crack you're mother gave me after feeding her my 12" **** of death. I've seen two sets of motons with non-moton perches. One was a tube framed c5, the other was an evo. I never claimed to be the suspension god, only commented from experience though a few billion track days.


I've driven a miata with teins, and I didn't need charmin, probably because it wasn't corner weighted. I'm not going to put suspension that expensive on a car that sees the street, because I'm not going to buy another set to get 1 shock when the inevitable happens.

I know my budget set-up is ****, but I've never wished I had something else on the track, and the accelerometer doesn't lie.
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You setup may perform pretty good, but you can't say its the best. Have you even driven a car w/ Teins, JIC's, or Ohlins?
where did I say they were the best? fuckface
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I'm not going to put suspension that expensive on a car that sees the street, because I'm not going to buy another set to get 1 shock when the inevitable happens.
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I got ya.... I thought you were stating that we would have to purchase new vs. rebuilding. But, yes, if I destroy one.....then to replace may mean purchasing a new set. Luckily, I kept my old SPAX adjustables just in case, to hold me over if need be. Besides, I'm a cheap bastard too, and I picked mine up from John. No way would I have paid full price for the Flexes at the moment.......

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revalve
**** that.

Total - $735.30* shipped to your door

+ 200 for shortening, etc, blah blah.

And you are at least 1500$ in for a shock that isn't even damping adjustable.

If you are EVER planning to revalve, buying the bilstein setup does NOT make sense, go straight to Flex.
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but don't forget that a budget set-up like mine with corner weighting will crush just about anything you can buy.
So saying that, isn't saying its the best?
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For having all that "experience", you say a lot of stupid ****, Hustler. My RACEs will perform better on track, handle higher spring rates, and ride smoother on the street than your Bilsteins ever will. They're also revalvable at a cost of around $125 a shock. And even if you do totally **** one by throwing your car into a curb and bending the **** out of it, you can buy them in pairs, not in sets of 4.

Your e-thugging is a nice comic relief to the forum, but perhaps you should stay away from the technical advice?
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