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concealer404 05-02-2017 03:17 PM

I run 6.6 caster as is, stock BJs. Depowered MSM rack.

Challenge accepted.

shuiend 05-02-2017 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1410657)
As a note for those considering ELBJs or offset lower bushings to increase front camber: If you are going without power steering, using these camber adders will make you run a lot of caster, increasing steering effort. With ELBJs, Thumpetto was only able to get down to like 6-6.5* caster, and on my car with offset front lower delrin bushings I'm stuck at right around 5.5*.

I'm totally happy with steering effort at 5.5*, but some may not be.

I agree with this. I have the ELBJ and the Sadfab offset bushings. I should have only done one of them, not both. I don't think the alignment guy could get below about 6* of caster.

turbofan 05-02-2017 03:20 PM

lol

yes definitely don't need both. I'd suggest you either pull the bushings or the ELBJ's. I can easily reach 3* of camber or more with just the offset bushings. Aidan was over 4* with the ELBJs.

I got the offset bushings because they were cheaper than ELBJs but if I were doing it again, I'd just go with ELBJs.

@concealer404 Yeah, i did the same thing for a while, but when I got my new alignment this winter I had him minimize camber and I definitely like it better at 5.5 than at 6.5*.

concealer404 05-02-2017 03:22 PM

I'll see if it bothers me on the new setup. Other people have called it a little bit "high effort" i suppose, but it's the easiest-steering project car i've had in a decade, so it doesn't bug me.

dleavitt 05-02-2017 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1410657)
As a note for those considering ELBJs or offset lower bushings to increase front camber: If you are going without power steering, using these camber adders will make you run a lot of caster, increasing steering effort. With ELBJs, Thumpetto was only able to get down to like 6-6.5* caster, and on my car with offset front lower delrin bushings I'm stuck at right around 5.5*.

I'm totally happy with steering effort at 5.5*, but some may not be.

I didn't even think about that. Fortunately I've been running the FM alignment which has 5* caster, so shouldn't be as big of a jump as if I was coming from 3.5-4*.

AlwaysBroken 05-03-2017 04:44 PM

Just got a rear sway with end links and bushings (and all the nuts and bolts) for 20 at the pick and pull. Solid advice that was. Thanks guys.

Itried to find an unmolested front bumper to replace my damaged one but no luck. Every one was torn up.

edit: was from a 94, so probably 11mm. I'll see how I like it vs the 16mm FM bar.

AlwaysBroken 05-26-2017 11:31 PM

Update:
  1. Stock rear sway bar feels much less twitchy than the 16mm FM one. Handling has an almost stock feel to it. Car telegraphs way before it breaks traction.
  2. Cant' get below 5.3 caster, am running 2 front, 1.6 rear camber, alignment feels really good. I should have gotten the car aligned earlier.
  3. Even with the depowered rack, 5.3 caster isn't as ridiculously bad as I had expected.

thumpetto007 05-27-2017 03:18 AM

^yay!

enjoy it thoroughly!

turbofan 05-27-2017 01:10 PM

Glad you like it. Sounds like a great street alignment.


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