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emilio700 06-07-2014 02:08 PM

949 Racing 6UL CAD renderings
 
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The new for 2014 Gen 4 6UL is flow formed, 550kg max load rated. See website for pricing and shipping quotes. 949 Racing wheels - Miata performance

15x8 going into production in a few weeks. Accepting pre orders on our website late June. Shipping late August. 11.3 lbs.

15x9 going into production in August. Accepting pre orders on our website late July. Shipping October. 12.1 lbs

15x6, 7,7.5, 9, 10 and 11 all coming in 2015. No ETA, pricing, images, or specs on those sizes at this time. When we are ready to publish that info, we will ;)

A few design notes. We have incorporated TPMS compatibility in all Gen 4 6UL's. Some manufacturers are upping max load to 550kg for some widths in 4x100 but not others. We are adding 10% to the industry standard VIA max load rating for every new 949 Racing wheel. We call this Spec949. For reference, VIA standard for 4x100 is 500kg. I personally liked the slightly sharper spoke edge on the Gen 1's over the Gen 2 and Gen 3 wheels so we brought that back for the Gen 4. Tiny difference but I think it defines the wheel a bit. We have retained 11" Dynalite BBK clearance. We will publish brake templates when we open the site for pre-ordering for each size. It is unknown how they will clear 11.75 Powerlite and DP4 kits until we can get templates for them (Keith, Andrew?).

The few gen 3 wheels you see on our website in the closeout section are crash replacement only. IOW, you have to be a previous customer to order them.

15x8
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1402173815

15x9
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1402173815

soviet 06-07-2014 02:50 PM

Tungsten is a new color?

hornetball 06-07-2014 03:02 PM

Picture links seem to be broken.

soviet 06-07-2014 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by hornetball (Post 1137803)
Picture links seem to be broken.

they always are because the forum is like that. For some reason, the auto-attachment for vendors is broken.

protip: you can bypass the auto-attachment by adding ? after the image
Code:

e.g.
http://949racing.com/ProductImages/6UL40ScW.jpg???
instead of
http://949racing.com/ProductImages/6UL40ScW.jpg

http://949racing.com/ProductImages/6UL40ScW.jpg??

emilio700 06-07-2014 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by soviet (Post 1137799)
Tungsten is a new color?

Possibly. We will see what the samples look like. If we add Tungsten gray, it will be at the same time as the other colors are released. So, no guessing if it will be added later.

Savington 06-07-2014 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by soviet (Post 1137806)
protip: you can bypass the auto-attachment by adding ? after the image
[code]
e.g.
http://949racing.com/ProductImages/6UL40ScW.jpg???

Balleur.

Efini~FC3S 06-07-2014 07:26 PM

Coming 2015 to a dealer near you!

*[ducks]

TNTUBA 06-07-2014 08:50 PM

So. Are you actually going to make the 15x11's? Like for real real not for play play? I was on the verge of off loading my 15x10's and 15x9's in order to get some matching 15x9's and 15x11's. If you are REALLY going to make the 11's I will hold off. And if you need a beta tester for the 11's......I'm your huckleberry :)

viperormiata 06-07-2014 09:22 PM

want

Erat 06-07-2014 10:08 PM


Originally Posted by Efini~FC3S (Post 1137854)
Coming 2015 to a dealer near you!

*[ducks]

Who's holding the bets on what comes first, these or TECNAs?

Efini~FC3S 06-08-2014 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by Erat (Post 1137885)
Who's holding the bets on what comes first, these or TECNAs?

TSE Turbo Kit

k24madness 06-08-2014 09:34 AM

I like the slightly sharper spokes look. 15X11? That's gonna make some people very happy. I now regret not tubbing the rear when I had the chance.

Good-Win Racing LLC 06-08-2014 12:19 PM

Looks great....love the addition of 15x6 and 15x11.

YES....on Tungsten too.

Savington 06-08-2014 02:45 PM

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Stoked for 8s and 9s this year.


Originally Posted by Efini~FC3S (Post 1137924)
TSE Turbo Kit

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1402253105

Filipe Dias 06-08-2014 04:03 PM

9" here we go :brain:

I´m curious about the new color...:drool:

unk577 06-08-2014 08:17 PM

Any chance of moving the 11's up to production sooner...this month or next?? I'll send money now

mcfandango 06-09-2014 09:40 AM

15x11 nice. I want something in the 16x10 to 16x12 range. I want to run the new fancy R75As :P

bbundy 06-09-2014 12:45 PM

15X11 yea.
Now are you still going to keep developing products like I really want in a timely fashon? I’m in really bad need of a 6 speed box with good ratios that will hold a bit over 300ft-lbs. Broke OEM 6 speed #4 now, this time broke second gear in it. I’ve discovered 275 Hoosiers on 15X11 wheels on a 70 degree day have a lot of grip in every direction Transmissions fear that much grip in my car.

emilio700 06-09-2014 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by bbundy (Post 1138222)
15X11 yea.
Now are you still going to keep developing products like I really want in a timely fashon? I’m in really bad need of a 6 speed box with good ratios that will hold a bit over 300ft-lbs. Broke OEM 6 speed #4 now, this time broke second gear in it. I’ve discovered 275 Hoosiers on 15X11 wheels on a 70 degree day have a lot of grip in every direction Transmissions fear that much grip in my car.

It's not up to me. I issued the request, PO's, deposits and sometimes, engineering drawings. The suppliers over promise on delivery dates. Always.

The irony is that even when talking to the actual engineers at Hoosier, I was told (emphatically), that the 275 only needed a 10" wheel. Like you, when I saw the 245 on our 15x10 (perfection, BTW), I knew I needed to do an 11 for the 275 someday. Super low volume wheel though, and I have many other fish to fry. So it will happen when it happens.

bbundy 06-09-2014 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1138250)
It's not up to me. I issued the request, PO's, deposits and sometimes, engineering drawings. The suppliers over promise on delivery dates. Always.

The irony is that even when talking to the actual engineers at Hoosier, I was told (emphatically), that the 275 only needed a 10" wheel. Like you, when I saw the 245 on our 15x10 (perfection, BTW), I knew I needed to do an 11 for the 275 someday. Super low volume wheel though, and I have many other fish to fry. So it will happen when it happens.

Well the thing is nobody makes a 15X11 that isnt a one off custom wheel that cost a small fortune. First one to market with it might do well now that a bunch of other manufacturers are now following your lead into the 8,9,10 market.

I also think the market for 6UL's would be bigger if they could be kept in stock but I suspect that is hard to match production and demand.

acedeuce802 06-09-2014 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1138250)
The irony is that even when talking to the actual engineers at Hoosier, I was told (emphatically), that the 275 only needed a 10" wheel. Like you, when I saw the 245 on our 15x10 (perfection, BTW), I knew I needed to do an 11 for the 275 someday. Super low volume wheel though, and I have many other fish to fry. So it will happen when it happens.

We've had the same discussion with Hoosier. We tried to talk to them about running a 6" wide tire on an 8" wide wheel, and they couldn't tell us anything other than they recommend a 6-7" wheel. We stayed conservative and designed around a 7" wheel, but will be testing the 8" over summer. If the 15x11 fits, run it. Gain that cornering stiffness.

emilio700 06-09-2014 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by bbundy (Post 1138258)
Well the thing is nobody makes a 15X11 that isnt a one off custom wheel that cost a small fortune. First one to market with it might do well now that a bunch of other manufacturers are now following your lead into the 8,9,10 market.

I also think the market for 6UL's would be bigger if they could be kept in stock but I suspect that is hard to match production and demand.

Thank you for the inevitable "I bet the demand is greater than you think" and " you would sell more if you had more stock" posts.;)
A 15x11 will always be a small volume wheel compared to about a zillion other sizes.

Chiburbian 06-09-2014 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1138286)
Thank you for the inevitable "I bet the demand is greater than you think" and " you would sell more if you had more stock" posts.;)
A 15x11 will always be a small volume wheel compared to about a zillion other sizes.

But what if I have "Cash in hand?"

Which I will by July when you are ready to start taking money for 15x9s. Anyhow, I am curious about this new color "Tungsten." Is the image an accurate depiction of how it will look? To me it looks like a slightly different texture to "silver" but similar color. Can you give more information about that color/finish?

Also, do 6ULs require centering rings? If so, any reason you don't sell them on your site? Last - any word on when the black lugnuts should be back in stock? I'd like to start ordering the incidentals like lugnuts and valve stems as soon as possible to spread out the financial load.

emilio700 06-09-2014 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by Chiburbian (Post 1138305)
But what if I have "Cash in hand?"

Which I will by July when you are ready to start taking money for 15x9s. Anyhow, I am curious about this new color "Tungsten." Is the image an accurate depiction of how it will look? To me it looks like a slightly different texture to "silver" but similar color. Can you give more information about that color/finish?

Also, do 6ULs require centering rings? If so, any reason you don't sell them on your site? Last - any word on when the black lugnuts should be back in stock? I'd like to start ordering the incidentals like lugnuts and valve stems as soon as possible to spread out the financial load.

Lugs in 4 weeks. No rings required, if you don't want centering rings.
Tungsten info when we have Tungsten info.

Cash in hand? Well that changes everything..

Savington 06-09-2014 03:46 PM

I have ~3 sets of black lugs in stock, left over from the last wheel batch. Call to order.

Chiburbian 06-09-2014 03:51 PM

Maybe I should have google'd that question before I asked. Either way, here is a good video that explains why I might or might not "need" centering rings...



Btw, thanks Sav.

FrankL 06-11-2014 12:07 AM

In for 12 lb 11" wide wheels

TNTUBA 06-11-2014 08:19 AM

The issue for the 11's is now that a few folks have tested....and proven that they are faster...The folks that need...not want but need...The 11" wheel might have already bitten the bullet on Bogarts Keisers or some other option if you wait on producing them. The Window to "make hay" with the 11 is smaller than you might think.

FrankL 06-11-2014 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by TNTUBA (Post 1138965)
The issue for the 11's is now that a few folks have tested....and proven that they are faster...The folks that need...not want but need...The 11" wheel might have already bitten the bullet on Bogarts Keisers or some other option if you wait on producing them. The Window to "make hay" with the 11 is smaller than you might think.

This guy knows.

unk577 06-11-2014 08:44 AM

How many pre-orders with deposits(&show much of a deposit) would it take to move the production of the 11" wheels up to being available this year?

mcfandango 06-11-2014 10:44 AM

Spinwerkes, is 1 back from the dead, and 2 is considering doing a 15x11 as well.

emilio700 06-11-2014 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by unk577 (Post 1138969)
How many pre-orders with deposits(&show much of a deposit) would it take to move the production of the 11" wheels up to being available this year?

About 600 customers. That's about what I would pass up in sales in other sizes. I appreciate all the posts in this thread asking me to re-prioritize development for the 15x11. Nothing you guys are writing is new to me however. No amount of forum posts here will change our schedule.

So it is abundantly clear, 15x11 are lower volume wheels so they will be low priority. As in an order of magnitude lower volume.

shuiend 06-11-2014 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by FrankL (Post 1138927)
In for 12 lb 11" wide wheels

In for 11lb 12" wide wheels! :rofl::rofl:

Tekel 06-11-2014 02:14 PM

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Is the tungsten color the same as the NC 6ULR?
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1402510454

FrankL 06-11-2014 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1139092)
About 600 customers. That's about what I would pass up in sales in other sizes. I appreciate all the posts in this thread asking me to re-prioritize development for the 15x11. Nothing you guys are writing is new to me however. No amount of forum posts here will change our schedule.

So it is abundantly clear, 15x11 are lower volume wheels so they will be low priority. As in an order of magnitude lower volume.

How many have you passed up in the last year not having inventory? Probably more than that.

emilio700 06-11-2014 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by FrankL (Post 1139234)
How many have you passed up in the last year not having inventory? Probably more than that.

Thank you for that revelation.

carnut169 06-11-2014 06:56 PM

LOL.
Can't wait to get a set of these.... guess I'd rather get the 9" for my NB

crimson_yachiru 06-11-2014 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1139263)
Thank you for that revelation.

I think the naysayers should by now be getting the point that this is either a supplier issue or emilio simply does not have the capital to produce wheels for a few needy assholes.

In other words, if you want 15x11's this year start a LLC and get enough money together to purchase all the 600 required sets. Then you'll see what the market demand is.

k24madness 06-11-2014 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by FrankL (Post 1139234)
How many have you passed up in the last year not having inventory? Probably more than that.

Don't go throwing salt in the wounds unless you know why there are inventory issues. Hopefully with the new wheel manufacturer supply issues will be a thing of the past.

TNTUBA 06-11-2014 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by crimson_yachiru (Post 1139297)
I think the naysayers should by now be getting the point that this is either a supplier issue or emilio simply does not have the capital to produce wheels for a few needy assholes.

In other words, if you want 15x11's this year start a LLC and get enough money together to purchase all the 600 required sets. Then you'll see what the market demand is.

Who are you calling naysayers? Naysayers wouldn't be begging for the product...we are disciples. So before you call people assholes you should learn how to read......asshole.

Seefo 06-11-2014 09:10 PM

...God damn, lots of shit in this thread.

Glad to see these are moving along. I am ready to order a set. Thanks to Emilio & 949 for the development/updates!

crimson_yachiru 06-11-2014 11:39 PM


Originally Posted by TNTUBA (Post 1139311)
Who are you calling naysayers? Naysayers wouldn't be begging for the product...we are disciples. So before you call people assholes you should learn how to read......asshole.

"naysayer: one who denies, refuses, opposes, or is skeptical or cynical about something"

I was, in fact, referring to those who made this post relevant:


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1138286)
Thank you for the inevitable "I bet the demand is greater than you think" and " you would sell more if you had more stock" posts.;)

Being as those users are clearly skeptical of emilio's business savvy.

I apologize for not being clear. Yes I am an asshole.

FrankL 06-12-2014 12:10 AM

Don't call me out. I don't care why they aren't available, but simply put if you are making the same product others are now because you didn't have inventory, you need to differentiate. I just sold one of my sets of 10s. In fact I like that they aren't available because my used wheels are worth as much or more than I paid new. And now have bogarts being made in 11s. I realize it is a small market for 11s but if there is a cheaper alternative I know people will buy them. Even at the expense of 2-3lb per wheel.

Dunning Kruger Affect 06-12-2014 09:53 AM

Hey Emilio, I just wanted to drop by and let you know that you're doing an awful job. Please keep in mind, I have no earthly idea how manufacturing works nor any concept of the difficulties and complexities that exist when bringing a brand new product to market. You see, it's much easier for me to drink haterade, type furiously into my computer, and make the most obvious comments in the world, such as "hey, I bet you can make more money if you sell more wheels".

Anyways, I gotta go now. Some new member asked what diameter tubing he should use for his exhaust so I need to tell him to "use search function noob", make gay jokes, and ask when the TSE turbo kit is coming out because the only thing that gets me off these days is beating the ground where the dead horse used to be before I beat it into oblivion.

Signed,
A Miata Turbo User

Double O 86 06-12-2014 07:12 PM

Hey, you might not have noticed, but "6UL" kind of sounds like "sexual", no? :idea:

That fact makes the wheel even cooler. :cool:

njn63 06-12-2014 09:42 PM


Originally Posted by Track (Post 1139317)
...God damn, lots of shit in this thread.

Glad to see these are moving along. I am ready to order a set. Thanks to Emilio & 949 for the development/updates!

Same. Will be preordering in August. :party:

sdiegoo 07-06-2014 10:58 PM

Been waiting for these to come out!

khoumphonh 07-09-2014 12:37 AM

Excited for these! Are they going to end up being the same +36 offest as the old ones?

emilio700 07-09-2014 11:07 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Pics of Beta production 15x8 wheel. As of today, my best guess puts wheel here mid September. Yes, that's 11.2 lbs.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1404961644
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1404961644

good2go 07-09-2014 11:29 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1146968)
Pics of Beta production 15x8 wheel. As of today, my best guess puts wheel here mid September. Yes, that's 11.2 lbs.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1404961644
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1404961644

Emilio, has the pre-ordering for these already happened? Please tell me it's not too late to get on the list for these (15x8). :drool:

emilio700 07-10-2014 03:34 AM


Originally Posted by good2go (Post 1146973)
Emilio, has the pre-ordering for these already happened? Please tell me it's not too late to get on the list for these (15x8). :drool:

I would answer this question but you quoted pics.

newold_m 07-10-2014 10:18 AM

Nice background pictures :)

Will paint, specifically bronze or tungsten (yay, new color!), add any noticeable weight?

Good-Win Racing LLC 07-10-2014 11:49 AM

Yummy!

Looks great...and both lighter and stronger.

good2go 07-10-2014 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1147009)
I would answer this question but you quoted pics.

Sorry, my bad. I was in a rush. :facepalm:

(I could say they were pretty enough to look at all over again though)

emilio700 07-10-2014 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by good2go (Post 1147108)
Sorry, my bad. I was in a rush. :facepalm:

(I could say they were pretty enough to look at all over again though)

Methods for staying updated on 949 Racing wheels, in descending order of effectiveness

1. Email us and ask to be put on the mailing list
2. Like our facebook page
3. Carrier pigeon
4. Checking forum threads
5. Calling every few hours and asking "how about now?". This is the most popular :facepalm:

good2go 07-10-2014 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1147126)
Methods for staying updated on 949 Racing wheels, in descending order of effectiveness

1. Email us and ask to be put on the mailing list
2. Like our facebook page
3. Carrier pigeon
4. Checking forum threads
5. Calling every few hours and asking "how about now?". This is the most popular :facepalm:

1) Wish this wasn't the least effective, but such is life.
2) Ehh, I never got into that whole MyFace thing . . . nor 'smart' phones for that matter.
3) My bird is overtaxed keeping my interweb connection going as it is.
4) BINGO ;)
5) Don't wanna be that guy.

rharris19 07-10-2014 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by good2go (Post 1147183)
1) Wish this wasn't the least effective, but such is life.
2) Ehh, I never got into that whole MyFace thing . . . nor 'smart' phones for that matter.
3) My bird is overtaxed keeping my interweb connection going as it is.
4) BINGO ;)
5) Don't wanna be that guy.

I think you may be confusing ascending with descending.

Stock 07-10-2014 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by rharris19 (Post 1147190)
I think you may be confusing ascending with descending.

lol

good2go 07-10-2014 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by rharris19 (Post 1147190)
I think you may be confusing ascending with descending.

Oh snap :loser: , now I'll never get on the damn list. :bang:

emilio700 07-10-2014 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by rharris19 (Post 1147190)
I think you may be confusing ascending with descending.

Did I invert that nomenclature?


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