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Old 04-02-2014, 02:05 PM   #1
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Default Any recent 6ul rumors?

Rumors? Rumors? Potential release date? Anything ...

I hope to have my car on the road by June, and right now, the only set of 4x100 wheels I have are the OEM 14's with snows off of my '96

Given the suspension set up, the car really deserves some sticky 225's.

I'd really prefer 6ULs for many reasons (e.g., vendor, weight, quality control, aesthetics); however, the C3Ms are currently the only game in town.

So, again, any development rumors?

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I've been wondering the same thing. Doubt we'll get much in the way of concrete answers before end of May at the earliest.

225's will work on an 8" wheel, and I've been eyeing the Konigs on good-win. I'm having a tough time deciding between these:
Konig "WIDEOPEN" 25mm, 4x100 FULL ANODIZED SILVER for Miata, 15x8

and these:
Konig WIDEOPEN 20mm, 4x100, 13.6 pounds- MACHINED LIP for Miata, 15x8
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Why not either of the two new wheels good-win has been advertising? The Advanti one is super light and has a high load rating. I also like the way it looks.
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I also like the way it looks.
I don't -- I think they're way too ricey.
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I don't -- I think they're way too ricey.
This ... sort of. As an object, I think the wheels are nicely designed. This said, I feel the miata looks better with a simpler design.

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+1 on wideopens if you are exploring other options. I love mine, pretty light (not quite 6ul status though), good looking, and I love how they fit my car with the 15x8 +25 selection.

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At this point, I'm pretty much set on Konig Wide Opens or Flatouts in 15x8. Lot's of tire options for these wheels.

With this offset, are NA's "stuck" running a 205/50?

Seems I can get black Flatouts + 205 direzza's for <$900 ... seems like a tastey proposition.

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I ponied up for the new Jongbloeds in 15x9. Hopefully will see them by the end of the month. +1 on checking out Goodwin. He's got a ton of wheels in 15x8 and 15x9 on his site.

Last time I talked to Emilio about it, he said no commitments but end of Summer . . . maybe. I think with the added competition in the 15x9 size, the new 6UL will have a flow-formed rim -- and it might be taking some time to get that engineered to Emilio's satisfaction (pure conjecture on my part BTW). OTOH, he may just be too busy kicking a$$ on track.
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I ponied up for the new Jongbloeds in 15x9. Hopefully will see them by the end of the month.
Very stoked to see em. What's the offset? The only picture i saw of x9's was on a red NB and it looked like they had a bit too much poke to be able to fit any super wide rubber on them. And the NA chassis is harder to fit rubber under as well.

It all depends on the offset though, either way.. in for results.
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Offset is either +35 or +36. The same or nearly the same as 6ul's. I'm still going to get on the waiting list for 6ul's once Emilio allows it. I'm planning to consume my consumables . . .

The red car already has "rolled" fenders (as only the PO could do it, LOL).
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Gen 4 6UL's wil have rotary forged rims and probably cost less than gen 3's, be significantly lighter and have a load rating 10% over industry standard. We'll call that standard spec949. Catchy? We are hoping to have 15x8's and 9's towards the end of this year. Far too early to take orders, estimate ship dates or provide any specific technical details. Yes, it will look the same save for a few detail difference from the diet the wheel is being put on.

On one hand, I'm flattered that an entire cottage industry has popped up around the unique fitments I pioneered 6 years ago. OTOH, it sucks that I have to battle for market share with other companies using my innovations. What's cool now is that rotary forging has become so affordable that I can add that neat tech and not need to raise the price on the wheel.

Many more sizes on the horizon. Not one of which I will announce before we have tooling ready and certification complete. Learned my lesson after having every single fitment I have done copied by at least two other wheel companies, some before I even got mine into production. doh

The only weapon I have to combat this relentless copying of unprotectable information is to continue to innovate faster than it can be copied. So that's what I'll do.
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The only reason I was even considering the other wheels is because the 6UL was out of stock. Your place in the market seems pretty secure to me.
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I echo the above. Emilio, if you have 'em, we'll buy 'em.
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You could do a 36.5 offset
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You could do a 36.5 offset
Funny you should say that. We actually toyed with the idea of mislabeling a particular and carefully engineered new fitment. When all the copies ate holes in the tires and destroyed fenders, there might be a bit of hesitation for anyone to jump on the bandwagon next time.

Big picture though, it's just how things are. I often explain it this way. say I popularized shoes in 3/4 sizes because they fit peoples feet better. I can't patent a size. It gets copied and I have to move on to the next idea. Using the shoe analogy, Skechers has made a billion dollar business (one of the worlds largest) in barely 20 years by openly stealing current industry leading designs and recreating it in cheap knockoffs. Americans buy them up never even having seen the originals. Skechers is an 800lb gorilla that Nike and Adidas worry about. Not a single damn original idea there.

So what does that say about stealing IP an making a business of copying other peoples work? It says that it's a pretty good business model, shameless and of questionable ethics though it may be.
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The 6UL is dead. Long live the 6UL!
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Funny you should say that. We actually toyed with the idea of mislabeling a particular and carefully engineered new fitment. When all the copies ate holes in the tires and destroyed fenders, there might be a bit of hesitation for anyone to jump on the bandwagon next time.
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I couldn't wait for availability for my most recent wheel purchase, but I will need a 3rd set of wheels, so I'll plan on the Gen4.
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Cash in hand waiting for those gen4's.
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always makes me laugh to see people saying "cash in hand" like that actually means something these days

he'll take a card, or paypal, or any other sort of payment just as well lol
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